32 replies [Last post]
Offline
Location: ontario
Joined: 07/07/2006
Posts: 237
Fact or Fiction?

As you may know Ontario lost its spring bear hunt about 10 yrs ago and the excuse was the orphaning of cubs due to hunters taking the sows. About 5 yrs ago when there was so much controversy over the cancellation, our MNR did a study on orphaned cubs and how they over-winter on their own. Now I likely have the stats wrong but it goes something like this: Of 60 or so orphaned cubs that denned on their own, almost all survived. Needless to say these results were never published because it would only give those against the cancellation of the hunt a lot of ammo in their fight to have it reinstated.

Offline
Location: OlyWa
Joined: 04/27/2005
Posts: 472
Fact or Fiction?

I am sure it depends on the age of the cub. If the cub is 1.5 yrs it will survive just fine, but less than a year old it will probably not make it. Young cubs tend to stay where they last saw/smell momma and they will bawl continually while looking for her. Live bait for a boar or yote.

Offline
Location: ontario
Joined: 07/07/2006
Posts: 237
Fact or Fiction?

Billy, Cubs are born in Jan/Feb so when they den the following year, they're still just 10 months old. All cubs in this study were of that age and almost all survived on their own.
They wouldn't be 1 1/2 yrs old til the following June and of course are now considered to be adult bears for hunting purposes--even though I think of them as juveniles-but not cubs.

Hope this clears up my original post. Think

Offline
Joined: 08/27/2004
Posts: 1964
Fact or Fiction?

You knew sometime soon you would see me posting my point of view on this one.

Proven Fact: Blackbears are the most predatory bear on this side of the world.

Ive seen countless videos of Blacks taking down moose and elk. Ive seen a Black take down a full 8x8 bull it took him a bit of time but in the end he thrashed that bull in the water so hard it didnt stand a chance once he had his teeth around its throat. Plus I think he drowned it a bit.

If you havent ever seen the hunting vids on YOUTUBE I suggest you check them out tonnes of stories and videos to backup eyewitness accounts. Lots from all over the world

Plus as I had stated earlier I was chased this year and I still think If I didnt have the axe or wouldnt have reacted like I did I might have spent a little time in the ER.And now that this topic is open Im going to try and find some info on humans VS bears. After all these years I am damned sure someone in this world has fought a black and walked away.

Offline
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 635
Fact or Fiction?

Hey Atom, I was wondering where you were. Did you get out for Moose?

Offline
Joined: 08/27/2004
Posts: 1964
Fact or Fiction?

Sudbury and yep I sure did didnt get shootin at nothing but it was good times anyway. Moose season closes here today so another year gone I didnt get one but I had the pleasure of drinving a friend around with a bull tag and we just so happed to find one so atleast this year wasnt for nothing I have lots of steaks and cuts in my freezer now.

expatriate's picture
Offline
Location: Arizona
Joined: 10/26/2002
Posts: 3206
Fact or Fiction?

I grew up on a farm and have hunted my whole life. So I'm pretty good at reading animals. Just about every species has a personality of some sort or other. Some are skittish, some are aggressive, some are inquisitive, others shy.

Except bears. I've looked bears in the eyes at some very close ranges, and there's NOTHING THERE. There's no spark, no personality...just a whole lot of indifference and "can I eat that?"

Yes, they're smart and can figure things out. Yes, they have decent eyesight and good hearing when they care to use it. And yes, they can smell beans in a can. But they really don't care about much of anything unless 1) they can eat it; or 2) it gets in their way of eating something. All they want out of life is the greatest number of calories for the lowest expenditure of energy.

Pissing around your campsite doesn't work. When I was fleshing a hide in camp, we had a bear come into camp right through the main area we'd been peeing in for several days. So eating trumps any concern about human urine. Human scent is an attractant if they think it will lead to food, and a repellant if they think it will interfere with food. Beyond that, I don't think they care. As for feces, I don't know. But if you're worried about it, I recommend you stay away from corn and not crap where you sleep. Big smile

Offline
Joined: 08/27/2004
Posts: 1964
Fact or Fiction?

Black bears have excellent smelling, hearing and sight.

Offline
Joined: 10/16/2007
Posts: 62
Fact or Fiction?

some more good insights. Thanks

Have another thing I have been thinking about, Chain saws. In the Forest where I am hunting there were doing some selective cutting. When I spoke with a Forest Agent overseeing the cutting she reported that in the month they were cutting she viewed 7 bears over a few week period. These may not have been seven different bears though.

Are these, Is this bear attracted to the area because of the mast crop that is being left on the ground? The chain saw is associated with free food?

Thoughts.

Syndeis

Offline
Joined: 07/31/2007
Posts: 635
Fact or Fiction?

Sounds like a state forest? Probably used alot by visitors who have food. Noise=people=food. Probably what lured them in. Then again if someone was cutting a tree down in my yard, I'd want to investigate too.

Related Forum Threads You Might Like

ThreadThread StarterRepliesLast Updated
Tennessee Mountain Lion Fact or Fictionjonesklan711008/02/2012 13:39 pm
Man marries dog 15 years after killing 2 othersbitmasher411/14/2007 22:39 pm
Bull Elk AttackCritter209/06/2013 12:07 pm
The Facts on BHOCVC1306/17/2008 18:55 pm
Nun gone wildbitmasher403/17/2004 07:49 am