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I think they are classified as preditors most places. And I've never seen one take down any animal but I'm sure they do, to many people reported seeing it. Then again, how many of those "I saw it" reports are people that found a black eating an animal it found dead? A 200# or 300# bear is not much of a match against a 600#+ angry moose or elk mother.

I wonder just how many of the animals they take out are sickly or injured tho? I sure don't have an answer. Yet if blacks are as dangerious as reported or believed, why aren't there more attacks on humans? I believe that the biggest danger of most blacks is their ability to beat you up and eat you. The Washington, Oregon and California coast range is full of them, so is western Montana and Idaho. Yet we hear more reports of attacks by lions!

This is of course all just theory as I've just never run into a lot of them in the wild and those I did left faster than any animal I ever saw. And of course I can't denigh the report of their attacks, it was a black that got Cynthia Bacon. An old hungry black that just wanted a meal and wasn't choosy where it came from. They have a tremendious potentional for danger, just like a buck deer, but in my experience always seem to aviod it. The big difference between the bear and the deer is that after the attack, the bear will probably eat you!

I think that another big myth about them revolves around the "I was attacked" storys. Most are bull. If a black attacks, you can't run away from it, it'll catch you and you can't climb a tree, it'll go up and beat you up up there and if you fight back and survive, your gonna have some pretty bad bruses to show. Most people reporting attacks by most wild animals, I don't believe were attacked but rather were standing in the escape route and got run over! Doesn't say much for their vision does it?

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appreciate the comments so far. Thanks.

Here is one I picked up the other day reading.

A bear can hear a human conversation up to 350 yards away. Not insinuating they are bilingual now, just that if your talking in the woods with a hunting partner or hiker etc. that the bear can hear the sounds from a great distance.

true?

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appreciate the comments so far. Thanks.

Here is one I picked up the other day reading.

A bear can hear a human conversation up to 350 yards away. Not insinuating they are bilingual now, just that if your talking in the woods with a hunting partner or hiker etc. that the bear can hear the sounds from a great distance.

true?

A bears hearing is exceptional. A great example, I was bear huntint this fall in Onterio with a bow and it was a rainy day so I had rain pants on. The pants were "whitewater" packable rainware. Basicly coated nylon. I was watching a bear feed at 17 yards and let my bow down to rest on my leg. When the bottom wheel touched my leg that bear stopped and stared right at me for 60 sec. I did not hear a thing when the bow made contact with my leg. After the bear resumed eating I picked the bow up and as slow/gentile as possible lightly touched my leg. Same results bear stopped everything to look in my direction, I heard nothing. I did this three times total and was amazyed at her hearing.

In general bears want nothing to do with humans and will vacate the scene "almost" every time there is an encounter (usually before the encounter). It is the time that they do not vacate the encounter scene that they have the potential to become dangerous game.

I have got to say I agree with Dons theory on attacks. A human against a black bear? If that bear wants to kill them a human does not stand a chance.

Now a startled bear that just wants to get away, the last place you want to be is in its way. They run a straight line through the woods knocking down or running over anything in there way.

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In respects to confrontation, we need to remember that an animal is unpredictable in any scenario. I got to thinking after reading your post Don, and I think there is a very good reason why there aren't alot of bear-human confrontations. I would assume that any predator will avoid at all risk, any situation that could possibly result in harm to itself. If we get hurt (which we too try to avoid) we go to the doctors. If a bear gets injured, it could result in death. The wilderness is a harsh and unforgivable monster hidden by it's own beauty. So it makes sense to prey on the sick and weak. But like I said earlier, any animal is unpredictable.

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Then again, how many of those "I saw it" reports are people that found a black eating an animal it found dead? A 200# or 300# bear is not much of a match against a 600#+ angry moose or elk mother.

Well I have called in a bunch of black bears with a cow elk call so I think they are comfortable taking down elk. Most stalk in slow and quite and some have had slobber running down their chins.. Most have been between 150# and 250# gutted.

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Many calves are taken soon after birth when the cow is at her weakest and the calves are most vulnerable. Cutting horses could take lessons from black bears when it comes to separating cows from calves. I watched it happen these guys are impressive.

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I have had bears that spooked away make a direct beline to a vantage point when using cow calls. One bear actually angled directly towards a large tree where it thought it would intercept the "cow". Pretty cool.

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That must be really neat to see. Must be something knowing a bear is coming to you thinking you're dinner!

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here is another question I have regarding sow with cubs.

Before I continue let me preface this question by stating that I would not shoot a sow with cubs and I am not looking for an excuse to justify doing so.

I believe anyone who reads anything about bear hunting will sometime come across the statement that if you shoot a sow with cubs the cubs will not live. They will die from not being able to care for themselves with predation being the major cause of death.

How do we know this to be fact? I have a person telling me that this isn't true, but is basing this on something he read. I dont have the source of his info but I could find out if it is critical to the conversation.

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I read something similar to that.
I was studying ethnology (animal behavior) last year, mostly concentrating on how different types of animals react to different stimuli. Doing this, I came upon an interesting article on black bears parenting.

Apparently one study showed that cubs usually stay with the sows until they're almost two years old. With the sow, there is a rather high survival rate from the completion of the first year to the time when the cubs leave the mother (about 85%). But the interesting thing is that without the sow, it only drops about 5%.
I wish I could cite the bibliographic information, but it's been months since I read this. Next time I happen to run across that article I'll post it in a new thread.

Even if this study can be backed up and is entirely true, I still don't think you can justify shooting a sow with cubs. It would just look too bad in the eyes of non-hunters.

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