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Who besides you said anything about Cheney? The post isn't about Cheney -- it's about the tone of the White House press secretary. Nobody expects the White House to agree with Cheney. The issue is whether, when differing with someone (especially a former VP), the White House should cheapen itself with comments like, "I guess Rush Limbaugh was busy so they trotted out the next most popular member of the Republican cabal."

The high road here would have been to say something like "Former Vice President Cheney is certainly entitled to his opinion, but given the situation the president doesn't agree."

Even in the most heated debates in Congress there's a tradition of decorum -- terms like "my esteemed colleague" or "the distinguished gentleman." America expects those in high elected office to conduct themselves with class and dignity out of respect for our democratic principles. Our president is sitting in the same position as Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln -- we don't want to see that legacy cheapened by acting like a spoiled child.

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Who has said this?

I did.

Well that explains the untruthfulness in it.

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Guess murder is ok if it serves your purpose

What are you talking about? Too much TV, turn it off, X files is fiction.

Uhhh... scan through your own posts. Who said "Wish some Euro country would just put out a warant and we could be done with him." I qouted you in my response. So what exactly did you mean? I'm assuming you didn't mean "search warrant" - more along the lines of "death warrant!" So my question stands. You oppose torture, but condone murder?

Bottom line, Gibbs was inappropriate.

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civetcat is presumably alluding to a war crimes arrest warrant. Some might be surprised here to learn that the far lefties want Bush and Cheney to be tried as war criminals for the invasion of Iraq. Presumably to be tried at the Hague like Slobo.
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I'm dissapointed in the administrations response. Obama supporters and staff demand that he be respected because he holds the office of president, why don't they show the same respect for the outgoing administration? It just further politicizes an issue, national security, that shouldn't be that political in the first place.

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Even in the most heated debates in Congress there's a tradition of decorum -- terms like "my esteemed colleague" or "the distinguished gentleman."

Like when Cheney told a senator on the floor of the senate to "go f*** yourself"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3699-2004Jun24.html

Truth is ex Presidents (and Vices) don't criticize sitting presidents two months after leaving office, especially by suggesting current policy will get us all killed, especially when they themselves allowed terrorists to come to America and kill 3000 people. Just doesn't pass the class test. And when someone does say stuff like that they get mocked in front of god and everybody.

Cowgal there's an international court in the Hague. It's where people who have commited horrific crimes are brought to justice especially if they are too powerfull and connected to be tried in their own country. The secret release of the IRC report last week brings us closer to that day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

There is no death penalty

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You're frothing again, Civet.

We can once again delve into your Bush Derangement Syndrome and loony conspiracy theories about 9/11, but try to stay focused. This is about class and how the current administration is presenting itself. You're obviously defending Gibbs, which means that you support gutter politics and policies that cheapen the president in the public eye and make him look like an immature brat. Why would someone as politically pure as you want The Obama to fail?

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Even in the most heated debates in Congress there's a tradition of decorum -- terms like "my esteemed colleague" or "the distinguished gentleman."

Like when Cheney told a senator on the floor of the senate to "go f*** yourself"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....Jun24.html

Truth is ex Presidents (and Vices) don't criticize sitting presidents two months after leaving office, especially by suggesting current policy will get us all killed, especially when they themselves allowed terrorists to come to America and kill 3000 people. Just doesn't pass the class test. And when someone does say stuff like that they get mocked in front of god and everybody.

Don't know what to say to you my esteemed colleaguge, Cheney said it better. I thought Gibbs was funny, everyone laughed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfezkHsf5oY

I'm so embarased Cheney comes from Wyoming, draft dodging low life scum.

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Lawrence B. Wilkerson was chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell

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As for the fear-mongering: "When we get people who are more interested in reading the rights to an Al Qaeda (sic) terrorist than they are with protecting the United States against people who are absolutely committed to do anything they can to kill Americans, then I worry," Cheney said. Who in the Obama administration has insisted on reading any al-Qa'ida terrorist his rights? More to the point, who in that administration is not interested in protecting the United States--a clear implication of Cheney's remarks.

But far worse is the unmistakable stoking of the 20 million listeners of Rush Limbaugh, half of whom we could label, judiciously, as half-baked nuts. Such remarks as those of the former vice president's are like waving a red flag in front of an incensed bull. And Cheney of course knows that.

Cheney went on to say in his McLean interview that "Protecting the country's security is a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business. These are evil people and we are not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek." I have to agree but the other way around. Cheney and his like are the evil people and we certainly are not going to prevail in the struggle with radical religion if we listen to people such as he.

[...] But al-Qa'ida will be back. Iraq, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, heavily-biased U.S. support for Israel, and a host of other strategic errors have insured al-Qa'ida's resilience, staying power and motivation. How we deal with the future attacks of this organization and its cohorts could well seal our fate, for good or bad. Osama bin Laden and his brain trust, Aman al-Zawahiri, are counting on us to produce the bad. With people such as Cheney assisting them, they are far more likely to succeed.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/03/some_truths_abo/?ref=fp2

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I'm so embarased Cheney comes from Wyoming, draft dodging low life scum.

Hummm...Lets compare Cheney with his successor, Biden.

Cheney;
he received deferments to finish a college career that lasted six years rather than four, owing to sub par academic performance and the need to work to pay for his education. Initially, he was not called up because the Selective Service System was only taking older men. When he became eligible for the draft, he applied for four deferments in sequence. He applied for his fifth exemption on January 19, 1966, when his wife was about 10 weeks pregnant. He was granted 3-A status, the "hardship" exemption, which excluded men with children or dependent parents.
Cheney shot an Attorney in the face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney

Biden;
Biden received five student draft deferments during this period, with the first coming in late 1963 and the last in early 1968, at the peak of the Vietnam War.[18] In April 1968, he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as not available for service due to having had asthma as a teenager.
Biden shot no Attorney's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

Seems that if You want to call Cheney "draft dodging low life scum" then you'll have to apply the same to VP Biden. They both have the same Draft record.

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Cheney shot an Attorney in the face.
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Biden shot no attorney's

I'm trying to figure this out. Which one was a bad thing ? Ah! I think I got it. It's only bad to shoot a lawyer if it's by accident. That's poor gun handling!

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