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I am actually in the middle of my second O'Connor book just this year . Have already read his book The Hunting Rifle and now his book The Art of Hunting Big Game in N.A. Both are, of course, great. But I am also quite sure if you took the time to read Boddington's American Hunting Rifles you'd find it at least the equal of Jack's great book. Not a hint of commercialism to be found anywhere inside. Simple expert commentary from a man who has shot lots more big game than the great Jack O'Connor.
Give it a try.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/American-Hunting-Rifles/Craig-Boddington/e/9781571572233[/i]

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Black Elk, nice to see someone who thinks the way I do. I have always believed in shot placement. There was a huge 360 inch bull taken in unit 40 this last year, the amazing thing about this bull is sometime in the past he had been shot in the right back leg just below the hip and shattered the bone. Now we do not know what caliber this bull was shot with, but this massive bodied bulls muscles took over for the bone and when this bull was taken you couldn't even tell the bulls leg was broken (until he was deboned).

I said it many times, know your weapon and shoot it well ! Its all about shot placement !

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I have to admit that I haven't read any of Boddington's books based on my experience with his magazine article writing. I have a hard time believing that his books are as well written or as useful as O'connor's but everyone has different taste in writing styles and I respect that. Try reading The Rifle Book. It is absolutely awesome. As well check out Jack O'connor's Big Game Hunts. Jack's ability to inject knowledge into his beautifuly written stories is amazing. Good hunting and good reading.

I also have to take you up on your comment that Boddington has shot more big game than O'Connor. The 6 day guided hunts that Boddington goes on are nothing compared to the many month long pack train trips O'connor took into the north. I also doubt he has as much experience as Jack did with African game.

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If you would simply read the forward, written by Robert Elman the editor, of Boddington's book, you'd find the answers to your questions. And, bear in mind, this book was written 13 yrs ago, and there have been many more hunts by C.B. since that time. The book is excellent and no one I know who has read both C.B.'s book and J.O.'s book (of the hunting rifle) has given the nod to Mr. O. I am a huge fan of Jack's and actually have rifles nearly exact to some of his favorites for my own use, but as good as his books are, I can assure you Mr. Boddington's are no less informative and entertaining (IMHO).

For the record, the great Jack O'Connor never hunted on a guided hunt, nor outside his home area of Arizona until he was in his 40s, his first guided hunt was to B.C. in 1943. He also, by his own admission shot more mule deer with an '06 than his beloved .270. He was a great sportsman and even better writer (had published works prior to ever writing about hunting) and a true legend.

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hawkeye270 wrote:
onesonek wrote:
I'm just going to add, and not that much has changed in 25 years. Elk are the same, maybe one could argue bullets have improved, but not to a great extent.,,,
Anyhow, as I was thinking about this again and when Boddington's name came up, it reminded me of an article in a magizine.
I'm not sure he authored it or not however.
It was a survey really, of 20 individuals. Those included guides, outfitters and what I can semi-professional hunters. I consider them that, because they are the type that have the funds to travel and hunt anywhere in the world 3-4 + mos out of the year, not to mention trophy rooms bigger than my house.
The survey was such that it asked these folks what they considered mininum for elk.
2 were .300 win mag. 3 were the 7 rem mag, 2 for the .280 rem with range of 250 yd max. 1 for the .270 with max range of 200 yds stipulated. The rest said the 30-06.
I just thought the results were interesting, and thought I'd share.

Dave

I don't care how big these "semi-profesional hunter's" (ha ha ha) trophy rooms are. I am not giving anyone that considers the 280 rem adequate for elk but the 270 to be too small. That is rediculous. Just proving this study moot. Oh and the guy that said the 270's cutoff is 200 yards, he can go sit in front of my non-typical pedestal mount and talk up the virtues of shooting an RPG all he wants.

One thing one should remember is the law of averages, and I'm sure those that were polled considered that.
I'm not saying the .243 or .25-06 or even the beltless 7's (.270 included) won't work or haven't ,,,are they the best choice for the avg. guy. Going bigger don't make up for poor shooting, I agree regardless bullet construction and placement is key no matter what is used.
But remember there are a fair share of hunters that travel, and if they read this thinking their trusty light deer rifle will do for elk, I'm not going to argue it. But what I have seen on more than a few ocassions, is somebody use to hunting timber where a long shot is 100-125 yds get out west and cant tell the difference between 200, and 450 yds. I look at thes sorts of thread in broad spectrum. I know you guys that live and breathe in elk country, know the animal. you know it's haunts and habits to the point of you know if the critter is slightly spooked or aware, or if it's ready to take a step changing the sight picture. You are in a different class than the average in my mind. That maybe wrong in thought. but I have seen it. You live there and have likely 3-4 times the time to hunt and fill your tag.
Those that make a costly trip aren't as likely to be so patient with there shooting.. Again poor placement is no excuse, but bigger does give alittle more margin for error. Not saying that's right or wrong, but just for instance lets say your using a .25-06 with a 120 gr. Partition, and a gust of wind takes you off target at slightly longer range than was estimated, and you make a center shoulder bone hit.. I'm not so sure it'll do the job, whereas I know a 30 cal 180 gr. Partition would. It's possible the 120 25 cal will maybe penetrate enough to kill, but not before that elk puts some distance between you.
It's not so much what will work, it's what will with no question of working should murphy's law join in. We can't ignore that the unexpected can happen. I'm not saying that bigger or a magumun is going to negate that completely, but they do afford a little more margin for the unexpected.

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Very well said.

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I have to admit that I haven't read any of Boddington's books based on my experience with his magazine article writing. I have a hard time believing that his books are as well written or as useful as O'connor's but everyone has different taste in writing styles and I respect that. Try reading The Rifle Book. It is absolutely awesome. As well check out Jack O'connor's Big Game Hunts. Jack's ability to inject knowledge into his beautifuly written stories is amazing. Good hunting and good reading.

I also have to take you up on your comment that Boddington has shot more big game than O'Connor. The 6 day guided hunts that Boddington goes on are nothing compared to the many month long pack train trips O'connor took into the north. I also doubt he has as much experience as Jack did with African game.

I believe Jack had somewhere around 10-15 African hunts (safaris). Boddington has 75. He is the only living American journalist to have collected the big 5 in Africa, as a matter of fact. You may want to do a bit of research. Simply a suggestion, of course. Thumbs up

http://www.craigboddington.com/bio.htm

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I have to admit that I haven't read any of Boddington's books based on my experience with his magazine article writing. I have a hard time believing that his books are as well written or as useful as O'connor's but everyone has different taste in writing styles and I respect that. Try reading The Rifle Book. It is absolutely awesome. As well check out Jack O'connor's Big Game Hunts. Jack's ability to inject knowledge into his beautifuly written stories is amazing. Good hunting and good reading.

I also have to take you up on your comment that Boddington has shot more big game than O'Connor. The 6 day guided hunts that Boddington goes on are nothing compared to the many month long pack train trips O'connor took into the north. I also doubt he has as much experience as Jack did with African game.

I believe Jack had somewhere around 10-15 African hunts (safaris). Boddington has 75. He is the only living American journalist to have collected the big 5 in Africa, as a matter of fact. You may want to do a bit of research. Simply a suggestion, of course. Thumbs up

http://www.craigboddington.com/bio.htm

First of all, what questions did I propose to you? And if I was looking for an unbiased answer to supposed said questions, I would not look in the forward of his book... Sorry.

I like to do my research out in the great expanses of public land I have out here in the west. You can research the life of your "man-crush" all you want behind the screen of your computer out in Tennessee. {grin}

Thanks for including the point that O'Connor is the more versitale writer. I'd like to see CB try to write something in the format of Horse and Buggy West.

And you never seemed to address the fact that Boddington has never been able to, and never will be able to conduct hunts of the magnitude and length that Jack was able to. The Smithsonian is no longer handing out tags for writers to go out and take 2 sheep in addition to their allowed tags from the game and fish departments of the north.

You must excuse me because I've got too many and bigger fish to fry, bear skulls to euro mount, turkey tail fans to set and college females to chase than arguing with you about your best buddie Boddington. Peace!

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I have to admit that I haven't read any of Boddington's books based on my experience with his magazine article writing. I have a hard time believing that his books are as well written or as useful as O'connor's but everyone has different taste in writing styles and I respect that. Try reading The Rifle Book. It is absolutely awesome. As well check out Jack O'connor's Big Game Hunts. Jack's ability to inject knowledge into his beautifuly written stories is amazing. Good hunting and good reading.

I also have to take you up on your comment that Boddington has shot more big game than O'Connor. The 6 day guided hunts that Boddington goes on are nothing compared to the many month long pack train trips O'connor took into the north. I also doubt he has as much experience as Jack did with African game.

I believe Jack had somewhere around 10-15 African hunts (safaris). Boddington has 75. He is the only living American journalist to have collected the big 5 in Africa, as a matter of fact. You may want to do a bit of research. Simply a suggestion, of course. Thumbs up

http://www.craigboddington.com/bio.htm

First of all, what questions did I propose to you? And if I was looking for an unbiased answer to supposed said questions, I would not look in the forward of his book... Sorry.

I like to do my research out in the great expanses of public land I have out here in the west. You can research the life of your "man-crush" all you want behind the screen of your computer out in Tennessee. {grin}

Thanks for including the point that O'Connor is the more versitale writer. I'd like to see CB try to write something in the format of Horse and Buggy West.

And you never seemed to address the fact that Boddington has never been able to, and never will be able to conduct hunts of the magnitude and length that Jack was able to. The Smithsonian is no longer handing out tags for writers to go out and take 2 sheep in addition to their allowed tags from the game and fish departments of the north.

You must excuse me because I've got too many and bigger fish to fry, bear skulls to euro mount, turkey tail fans to set and college females to chase than arguing with you about your best buddie Boddington. Peace!

Well, what you did propose was two books which I have already read, but thanks for trying, anyway. I do choose to deal in facts, rather than rumor and/or conjecture. Perhaps, as I mentioned to you, you might try checking your info prior to posting inaccuracies. Enjoy your big and plentiful fish, along with their "stories". And peace be with you as well.

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Ehhh-hemmmm.

Sorry to interupt guys but I noticed many of you have a low post count. Now I don't know how many of you are fairly new to hunting forums and you may already know this but this topic has been debated longer and with more vigor than any other topic I've ever seen since the inception of online hunting forums.

As the debate goes on we get immpassioned in our points of views. I think that's a good thing we should be passionate about hunting and being ethical.

At the end of the day I think we can all agree that there is some definite grey area and will probably have to somewhat agree to disagree. I think it's important that above and beyond hunting laws we should all have our own individual ethics code that is more strigent than most laws.

With that being said.....this topic has pretty much been beat to death and in my opinion you aren't going to sway each other on your point of views and if you continue this debate will continue into the eternities and eventually insults will fly and bad feelings stirred.

Sorry on interupt just wanted to share my thoughts.

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