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Elk Hunt with 25-06?

243s work on elk, bulls as well as cows. So do 257 Roberts, 25/06, all the 6.5's and 270s. They all work just fine with good bullets and good shot placement !

But that's not really the question is it? Even the best of us find ourselves with a less-than-perfect shot opportunity on an animal we'd really like to take. Option one is just to pass. Option 2 is to go for it and hope both your aim and the bullet are up to the task. And even the best of us don't hit exactly where we aim, every time, even when the shot picture is perfect.

THOSE are the situations where 30 calibers and above give you the little edge that may mean the difference between a harvested elk and a lost elk, or an elk that dies quickly vs. one that dies an unfair, slow death. That's why I'm in the group of folks who use 30 cals (or a 325 WSM) on elk.

Of course just as important or more is how you shoot the round. A guy would indeed be better off with a 25'06 if he's deadly with it, compared to a 30 cal that he doesn't shoot as well. But when we're comparing apples to apples, as far as shooting accurately, there's no reason to go with a 25 cal over a 30 cal for elk. Or even a 270, I might add. Assuming you can shoot it just as well, which is a big assumption, why in the world would a guy NOT want the extra knockdown power and blood trail of a bigger round?]

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DaGooster wrote:
243s work on elk, bulls as well as cows. So do 257 Roberts, 25/06, all the 6.5's and 270s. They all work just fine with good bullets and good shot placement !

But that's not really the question is it? Even the best of us find ourselves with a less-than-perfect shot opportunity on an animal we'd really like to take. Option one is just to pass. Option 2 is to go for it and hope both your aim and the bullet are up to the task. And even the best of us don't hit exactly where we aim, every time, even when the shot picture is perfect.

THOSE are the situations where 30 calibers and above give you the little edge that may mean the difference between a harvested elk and a lost elk, or an elk that dies quickly vs. one that dies an unfair, slow death. That's why I'm in the group of folks who use 30 cals (or a 325 WSM) on elk.

Of course just as important or more is how you shoot the round. A guy would indeed be better off with a 25'06 if he's deadly with it, compared to a 30 cal that he doesn't shoot as well. But when we're comparing apples to apples, as far as shooting accurately, there's no reason to go with a 25 cal over a 30 cal for elk. Or even a 270, I might add. Assuming you can shoot it just as well, which is a big assumption, why in the world would a guy NOT want the extra knockdown power and blood trail of a bigger round?]

+1, and very well said, I might add. I'm not sure why some hunters seem determined to push the limits of lighter calibers (including the .22s for deer), but I feel it's prudent for a hunter to use the practical caliber and bullet weights, rather than the bare minimum. A true ethical hunter, to me, also considers what can happen when a shot is made. Such as an animal's unforseen movement just at trigger pull, or an unseen piece of intervening brush. A choice on the heavier/bigger side can and will help at times when these types circumstances pop up.

Hunters(and writers) like Keith, O'Connor and more recently Boddington have given very good direction in their published works and I think it would go a long way in perhaps changing many hunters' opinions if they actually read some of the very good books written by these "masters" who have collected hundreds of heads of big game, instead of simply depending on what cousin Johnny's uncle's brother saw one time, in the field. The information found in these classic books is still valid and I can assure you the hunting and shooting of any big game animal is not that different then to today.

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The outfitter I work for and every outfitter I know, 7mm mag is bottom, 338 mag top of the line. Come with anything less and you dont hunt unless the outfitter or guide are nice enough to let you borrow something they have. But why bother listening to professional hunters right Brick Wall,)

Wow... remind me to never hunt with these machos. Do you guys get in fist fights around the campfire at night. I bet once the animal is down, and the quartering begins, they also laugh at you if you have anything less than a 18 inch bowie knife.

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I'm just going to add, and not that much has changed in 25 years. Elk are the same, maybe one could argue bullets have improved, but not to a great extent.,,,
Anyhow, as I was thinking about this again and when Boddington's name came up, it reminded me of an article in a magizine.
I'm not sure he authored it or not however.
It was a survey really, of 20 individuals. Those included guides, outfitters and what I can semi-professional hunters. I consider them that, because they are the type that have the funds to travel and hunt anywhere in the world 3-4 + mos out of the year, not to mention trophy rooms bigger than my house.
The survey was such that it asked these folks what they considered mininum for elk.
2 were .300 win mag. 3 were the 7 rem mag, 2 for the .280 rem with range of 250 yd max. 1 for the .270 with max range of 200 yds stipulated. The rest said the 30-06.
I just thought the results were interesting, and thought I'd share.

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The outfitter I work for and every outfitter I know, 7mm mag is bottom, 338 mag top of the line. Come with anything less and you dont hunt unless the outfitter or guide are nice enough to let you borrow something they have. But why bother listening to professional hunters right Brick Wall,)

Wow... remind me to never hunt with these machos. Do you guys get in fist fights around the campfire at night. I bet once the animal is down, and the quartering begins, they also laugh at you if you have anything less than a 18 inch bowie knife.

You have to figure that 75% of the hunters that come out and use guides have no idea what they are into until they see that the bull that is in their scope it 300 yards away and it is the last day of the hunt. They are also used to hunting in the deer woods where a 30-30 is a fantastic caliber. I went on a brown bear hunt 30 years ago and had the magnum fever and wanted a big gun for the bear. When I talked to the guide he asked me what I hunted deer with and I told him a 30-06, he asked if I shot it often and if I can keep all my shots in a 2 inch circle at a hundred yards. Witch I told him yes. That bear didn't know what hit him when that 220 grain slug hit him, he went down like a rock. The point being if you shoot a rifle well enough to know where it is going to hit then use it. A lot of hunters use the magnums to make up for their lack of skill with a lesser round. I now shoot a 340 Weatherby and can place all my shots into a 1 inch circle at 200 yards minus the called flier that I get every now and then but it took me a 1000 rounds of practice to be able to do it. But I still love that 30-06 and it has a place with me until the day that I die.

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Dave,
Thanks for using some opinions that are accredited. I feel Craig Boddington to be one of the most learned hunter(writers) to have ever walked this earth. So some might learn, his take of big game, North American and African, likely matches that of Jack O'Connor and Elmer Keith combined.

Please, fellas, simply read his(or Jack's and Elmer's) books before trying to tell us a bunch of BS based on a couple of big game animals being harvested. I promise you ALL reading these books will make us all better hunters!

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MY FATHER KILLED MANY ELK WITH A 243 DID NOT LOSE ANY-NEVER SHOT AT AN ANIMAL OVER 100 YARDS AND ALL IN THE BOILER ROOM.OOps sorry
my father in law insisted you shoot them in the neck ,came from a mining camp hated waste.
me i have shot them in the neck but only when very close and using a 270 or larger. i prefer the certainty of the heart lung area .i do not eat organ meats so no loss.sister in law always dibs the liver so no waste there.

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I've also been a outfitter for over 20years hunting elk. The bottom line of calibers lies somewhere between shot placement and well constructed bullets. Having shot elk and seen elk shot with almost every legal caliber on the market, there isn't one ounce of difference in them all if they are placed in the boiler room. And a wounded elk might as well been wounded with a 50.cal cuz the result are still the same. I've tracked just as many wounded elk that someone had used a magnum as a standard cartridge.

Big name article guys don't alway make them correct in what they say.

Example: I for one 100% disagree with Elmer Keith's Raking Theory. Which goes something like this. Use a big enough magnum so that if it's the last day of the hunt and a bull only gives you an ass shot you can still shoot him and the awe powerful magnum will make sure you knock the animal down and can get back up on it and shoot it again. I'm sorry but someone should of told him he was full of crap back then. The Raking Theory hmmm.

Anyone that's been around mass amounts of elk hunting knows that not only unethical but just plain stupid. Elk are tough critters when that adrenaline starts to flow. They are not armor plated. Bad shot angles on heavy bone and poor judgement lead to all these story's of needing a howitzer to take an elk. It's all about having enough ethical judgement to let one walk if the shot is not there to take.

The 25-06 is enough gun for elk, same with 30-30's and all the other calibers on the lighter end of the foot pounds chart. Stay within reasonable yardage limits and pick your shots well. Because power is a poor replacement for a well placed shot.

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I'm just going to add, and not that much has changed in 25 years. Elk are the same, maybe one could argue bullets have improved, but not to a great extent.,,,
Anyhow, as I was thinking about this again and when Boddington's name came up, it reminded me of an article in a magizine.
I'm not sure he authored it or not however.
It was a survey really, of 20 individuals. Those included guides, outfitters and what I can semi-professional hunters. I consider them that, because they are the type that have the funds to travel and hunt anywhere in the world 3-4 + mos out of the year, not to mention trophy rooms bigger than my house.
The survey was such that it asked these folks what they considered mininum for elk.
2 were .300 win mag. 3 were the 7 rem mag, 2 for the .280 rem with range of 250 yd max. 1 for the .270 with max range of 200 yds stipulated. The rest said the 30-06.
I just thought the results were interesting, and thought I'd share.

Dave

I don't care how big these "semi-profesional hunter's" (ha ha ha) trophy rooms are. I am not giving anyone that considers the 280 rem adequate for elk but the 270 to be too small. That is rediculous. Just proving this study moot. Oh and the guy that said the 270's cutoff is 200 yards, he can go sit in front of my non-typical pedestal mount and talk up the virtues of shooting an RPG all he wants.

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Most of Col. Boddington's oppinions are bought by the highest bidder (either through cash or hunts). Read Jack O'Connor if you actually want to learn anything useful.

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