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I hear you there. He said that bull took the 180 Nosler an' jus' looked over at him as if to say, "Is that all you got?" He put two more rounds into the bull's chest. The bull kinda spread his front feet a lil' as if bracin' for the shots, confident he could take anythin' this puny human could throw at him. He even bugled afor he staggered uphill a lil', dropping into a drainage an' died'. You buckeye boys need to try real hard to imagin' how tuff elk really are afor you head west with a pop gun an' marginal shootin' skills.

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Well, I didn't have to drag one out or up a hill. I missed one at 700 yds.A nice 5x5 though. Only shooter I saw all week. I learned there patterns and did some pretty bad calling too. Imade the cows run off alot but, I'm gonna keep at it thanks for all the advice and esp. the things to take with me.

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You gotta be kidding, right? Anybody shooting at animals at 700 yards probably doesn't know what 700 yards looks like, and wouldn't know if they "missed" or not. I'll tell you what you need to take with you, somebody with some sense!

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Yeah, like, -- duh --, Carlsr1969. If you had gone to BeaverJack's Elk Hunting University (BJU) you would have known that any shot over 300 yards is strictly bush league.

I might be reading this wrong but I think BeaverJack is offering to take you on an elk hunt somewhere in the Rocky Mountings (don't ask, don't tell) to help you overcome your limitations.

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Well your both RIGHT.I took a buddy out yesterday and he told that it was only 450 yards. I didn't post that the next day I sighted in my rifle again and it was a foot off,at 100 yds. So next year a good friend said he would take me out with his group next year. If one of u want to help me I'll be willing to try again.

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In Elk-101 here at Beaver U, we teach that you gotta look a critter right in the eyeball before pullin' the trigger. If you can't stalk, crawl, slither, and sneak, then you get an "F". Shooting comes way down the list, and you automatically fail for poppin' off beyond 200 yards without a good rest, and 300 yards will get you expelled. 700 yards and you get to tape the other students' targets at the rifle range, and you gotta do it while they're shooting!

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Let me try to be a little less harsh, while still offering some constructive criticism, Carlsr.

First, no responsible hunter will ever take a shot at game when that game is at such a distance that the hunter does not know FOR SURE where his bullet is going to hit. If you thought the elk was 700 yards away then it was irresponsible to take the shot. That is simply too far.

You need to think about this. We all have a very real and very important responsibility to the game that we hunt. Anyone who cannot live up to that responsibility should not be hunting. I hope that you will continue hunting, but in the future that you will take this reponsibility seriously.

You need to go to the range. You need to get your rifle well sighted in. You need to practice at 100 yards at least, and further if you can.

If you can't keep all of your shots in a 6" circle at 100 yards then you shouldn't be taking shots at that distance. If you can't keep your shots in a 6" circle at 200 yards then you shouldn't be taking shots at that distance. If you can't keep your shots in a 4" circle at 200 yards then you shouldn't be taking shots at any distance greater than 200 yards.

Practice, practice, practice. Know where your bullets are going to hit at every distance that you might take a shot and then stick to it!

You also need to get closer to the animal. I shot my cow elk this year at less than 40 yards. Getting within 200 yards of any elk that you see is easy--at least, as easy as elk hunting was ever meant to be. Getting within 100 yards is not much more difficult. Then you won't have to worry about knowing where your bullet will hit at 400, or 500, or 700 yards.

I hope you will take this advice seriously. Elk hunting is a wonderful experience. Filling your freezer with one of these magnificent animals is even better. I hope that some day you'll get to experience that. But if your aren't going to hunt responsibly then I'd just as soon you'd stay home.

Good luck and best wishes to you.

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Good post Don. I'll just throw in a few bits.

Try to get closer to the animal not just because it improves your odds, but simply because that is what hunting is all about, IMO. Even if you tag one at 300 yards its not the same as when you have gotten real close and they don't have a clue your in their house.

Now, about 700 yards shots. I wouldn't dream of going that far, not without moving up in fire power and some serious practice. An even then whats the point? Gee whiz, so I made a brown lump fall over on the horizon, not exactly the pinnacle of hunting moments, maybe the pinnacle of shooting moments, but not hunting.

The average joe should not be taking shots beyond 300 yards. For that matter, the average joe probably should not be going beyond 150 and even then you'll have a segment of the population that this is too much. However there are elite offhanded (not from a bench) shooters that are extremely good and have picked a caliber to give them the killing power at long distances (1000 yards and beyond) required to take big game.

Good luck next year.

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Oh boy packing out it a HUGE job with elk!! Me and dad had to pack my last one out & it wasn't in reality that far just really steep & muddy. I suppose it could have been farther. But I do like that you don't hafta sneak after them I rather like just crashing through the brush for a change. Grin