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Elk differences?

Guys - can someone please explain what the different types of elk are - I thought a wapiti was another name for an elk and now I am thinking it is a sub species?

Do elk make scrapes?

Do elk rub trees like a deer?

Is the elk rut fairly well defined, like that of a whitetail?

 

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Wapiti is the Cree Indian

Wapiti is the Cree Indian name for elk, so yes the name refers to the same animal. 

As far as elk scrapes you will see where they have rubbed their antlers through the trees to scrape off the velvet as the antler hardens.  But I doubt that they do it for the same reasons that white tails do it. 

The rut is fairly well defined in that it usually happens in late August through early October and may extend until the later part of October.  This last season while I was hunting in Utah the elk were very vocal and in some areas they were still chasing the cows even thoe most of the cows didn't want anything to do with the bulls anymore. 

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Different Name, Same Critter

Wapiti / elk, they're the same.  Wapiti is an Indian name - I'm thinking Shawnee & means "white deer".  The name "elk" came from early European settlers, German I think, who used the name as they would have back home to describe Eurpopean moose.  Who knows what they would have called them if they had seen a North American moose before seeing an elk.

I can't remember seeing what would be called a scrape similar to a whitetail scrape.  The nearest I can think of would be a wallow.

Elko don't rub trees, they destroy them!

The elk rut is, within a couple weeks either way, set in stone & is arguably the most exciting time you'll ever experience in the wild.

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elk and sub-species

Jim, there are sub-species of elk. Elk or wapiti, one of the largest of game animals in North America, and can be found in almost all geographic areas, but predominantly makes its home in the Rocky Mountain regions. Elk have two lesser known sub-species. Roosevelt elk primarily inhabits the dense rain forests of Vancouver Island in British Columbia and the coastal regions of Oregon, Washington and northern California. Mature Roosevelt elk bulls have antlers that are more massive than the Rocky Mountain elk, however they will usually be shorter and not as widespread. The Tule elk is very limited in its range and currently only inhabits California.

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wow - great informationfrom

wow - great informationfrom everyone and I thank you!

I read some articles under the ELK section on this site and they are very good!

I cannot wait til i get a chance to go hunt out west - I am studying up on drop camps right now... I cannot afford guided and I figure drop camps should (typically) be in a good area

does anyone have any recommendations for a first timer for 2012?

Thanks!

 

 

 

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I can not wait to hear the

I can not wait to hear the story of when you make it out here Jim. You better make it soon! Like others have said, wapiti is a native american term for elk... it is not a sub species. I want to say that I have read that wapiti translates to "white rump" which is a good descriptive name for the species. Hal's comment that elk destroy trees is absolutely right. My brother got his bull during archery season while it was destroying a tree. He backpacked into an area and had to cold camp within a quarter mile of the bull. He listened to it attack the poor trees in the area all night long. He could not even cook a hot meal on his backpacking stove in fear that the scent would scare the bull away. It was a restless night of sleep for him to say the least. The peak of the rut is pretty set and mid September is when that occurs. September 12-20 normally contains the peak of the rut. This year it seems like bulls were vocal very late in the year however across Colorado. Looks like they covered the extant subspecies of elk. The extinct subspecies consist of the Merriam's and the eastern elk. I have heard that Merriams were the largest of the sub species but I do not know that for sure. They were found in the mountains of New Mexico and Arizona. Some people think that they never actually went extinct and that they bred with the Rocky Mountain elk that were later introduced from Yellowstone.

Like I said, get out here and chase these critters. It is fun.

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Hawkeye, No one wants me out

Hawkeye,

No one wants me out there more than ME!

I am genuinely caught up in dreams of going... but I have so many questions...

Man, please write and submit a story about the cold camp on the elk - that sounds flat incredible!

I hate for you to have too many points but that sounds like a story well worth hearing.

The way you write - and the excitement of hunting in the west - yes, please send it in!

 

 

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Think he has already written

Think he has already written it up.  Real exciting story.  Talk about getting it done!! 

 

Think THIS is likely the hunt he is referring to, I know it is the writeup I was thinking about.

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When

But....when does a deer turn into an elk?  Anyone?  Whistling

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At around 10,000' in the dark

At around 10,000' in the dark pines::confused2

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Okay, but you know those deer and elk crossing signs you see on the road?  Know which ones I'm talking about?  How do the deer and elk know that they are supposed to cross right there?

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