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Earmarks. Wait a minute...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/01/budget-chief-oba...

So... Obama's pretty much a typical politician afterall.

(not sure this link will work, cut and paste probably will, though)

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Expect that Civet will say this does in fact represent change from politics as usual and to post a link to Obama saying so.

These aren't the droids you're looking for...

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Haven't you noticed? Obama and his team are coining new words and definitions. What earmarks? What spending? In their language - its all part of a recovery plan or better yet, lets call it a reinvestment plan! Yeah right...

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Earmarks. Wait a minute...

Here's another article, similar in scope to the first one I posted, that I pulled off the Montana Standard. It was originally run in the Chicago Tribune:

The big (and red) budget
By the Chicago Tribune - 03/02/2009

President Barack Obama hit the nation with some astounding numbers on Thursday: a $1.75 trillion deficit for the current fiscal year and a $3.55 trillion red-ink budget for next year. Oh, and a big tax increase on the wealthy to ... in large part expand the federal government.

This comes a week after he promised to cut the deficit in half in four years. That will be no mean feat. The $1.75 trillion federal deficit will total 12.3 percent of the nation's yearly economic output. That represents the greatest deficit as a share of economic output in some 60 years.

Obama's tax increases and health-care plans don't come as a shock. He promised these would be his priorities during the presidential campaign. But his spending plans don't acknowledge the impact of the massive stimulus and financial bailout costs the government has incurred in recent weeks and months. And there's more bailout to come.

Congress, meanwhile, is rambling down a reckless path. The House on Wednesday passed legislation that hikes domestic spending by 8 percent for the rest of this fiscal year. Taxpayers for Common Sense, a non-partisan budget watchdog group, has identified 8,570 earmarks for special projects at a cost of $7.7 billion. There may be more.

This is the "fiscal discipline'' Obama promised in his address on Tuesday to Congress? No wonder the members rose so often to applaud. Earmarks! Hooray!

The president's 2010 budget includes domestic spending increases of an additional 7 percent. Remember, that's on top of the 8 percent increase in spending proposed for the rest of this year.

Obama touted "honest accounting'' in his 2010 budget. His administration deserves credit for avoiding the off-budget spending subterfuge favored by the Bush administration.

But Obama's ambitious 10-year plan also depends on some ambitious assumptions. It anticipates the U.S. economy will grow by 3.2 percent next year and more than 4 percent each of the following three years.

Obama also builds this budget around his ability to enact a controversial carbon cap and trade plan and allocate revenues from that to middle-class tax cuts. His $634 billion down payment to fund universal health care over the next decade depends on raising taxes on the wealthy. He would raise taxes on income and reduce tax deductions for such items as charitable giving. Remember what that would do — it would create a disincentive for the wealthy to give to charity.

Moreover, by dedicating much of the tax increases to government expansion, he takes that revenue off the table for deficit reduction.

On Thursday, The Concord Coalition, the best deficit-hawk bunch we've seen, praised Obama for budget transparency but said his plans ``would still leave the nation on an unsustainable fiscal path'' with debt that is still growing faster than the economy.

So who's going to instill the promised ``fiscal discipline'' here?

Don't count on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi or Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. If there's a prayer for discipline, it will likely depend on an iron-willed coalition of Republicans and blue-dog Democrats. Let's hope bipartisanship isn't dead.

— The Chicago Tribune

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President Barack Obama will break a campaign pledge and sign a budget bill laden with millions in lawmakers' pet projects, administration officials said.

That's from Faux news who by the way is an entertainment venue not news, like Steven Colbert or the Onion, but anyway.

I couldn't find where he said that. I did find where he said that the name of every legislator would be attached to the earmark that they made. Thats how we now know that 40% of the earmarks are Republican. It was a bill he introduced with co sponsor Tom Coburn Republican of OK.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Transparency_and_Integrity_in...

Everything I read in the Chicago Trib seemed factual to me. I disagree with their opinion but they use honest facts to get to where they are going.

Sometimes people confuse earmarks or pork with spending they disagree with, a quick check at dictionary dot com or more thorough explanation at Wiki is helpfull.

Funny, the stimulus and the health care for kids bills contained no pork, Repubs didn't sign on, budget had lots of pork, repubs signed on and some voted against, even when they were getting a lot of pork. Imagine inserting pork then not voting for the bill????

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Civet, once again we get to examine your bizarre method of determining validity in news stories. The story linked on Fox was an AP story -- not a Fox creation. So if that story ran in the New York Times, it would apparently be OK for you. But if it runs on Fox, it's a lie?

I used to work in TV news. Maybe you don't realize this, but AP is a wire service. Reporters around the globe write stories and submit them to AP -- if AP picks up the story, it goes on the wire and news services around the world that subscribe to AP have the option to run it. That's why you often see the same copy run in multiple venues.

And by the way, if 40% of the earmarks were Republican, then by default 60% were Democrat. Your use of that statistic doesn't help your position.

And as for Republicans not voting, you're confusing Obama's budget proposal with the stimulus bill -- not the same thing. Nobody voted on the budget proposal, because that's not how the process works. Obama's budget proposal lays out his priorities and what he'd like to see. It's up to Congress to appropriate money and build a spending plan. Theoretically, they could reject his budget and do what they want -- but I don't see that happening with a Congress controlled by Obama's party.

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I gues you haven't been following the news. There's also a budget that funds the country for the remainder of the fiscal year, not the 10 year Obama one. I'ts this budget that had all the earmarks. It passed easily last week or so. For a former TV news worker, whatever that means, you seem uninformed. But then Sarah majored in journalism. (what's her favorite color)

Yes I realize 40 from 100 is 60. I guess that relfects the composition of the congress doesn't it? 90/10 might be better.

AP is a wire service? Like UPI and Rueters? OMG who'd a thunk it. I don't care if a story comes from the pope himself if it's in Faux, I immeadiatly assume it to be lies, it's the default position at Faux. I listen to them daily.

FYI the washington bureau chief if AP applied to work on McCains campaign, I don't always trust AP, depends who is writing.

Still waiting to see where Obama said he'd eliminate all earmarks, not saying he didn't just that I dont' remember it.

So...uhm.... where did he say that?

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Here you go.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/mar/02/john-boeh...

and here's the money quote.

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Several news organizations made even harsher claims. The New York Times, for example, reported that Obama would sign the bill, earmarks and all, "despite campaign promises to put an end to the practice."

That's incorrect. Obama did not promise to end earmarking, only to "reform" it, and eliminate "screwy" or wasteful earmarks.

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That was an omnibus spending bill, not a presidential budget. Hello...I understand government.

I'm really trying to wrap my brain around your thought processes, and it's just not making sense. If a reporter writes a story and it runs in the NYT, it's gospel truth. But if the exact same article appears on Fox, it's a lie? You have a really strange definition of truth and and a skewed understanding of the principles of critical thinking.

You don't trust major news outlets based on who owns them. You don't trust the AP based on who writes the article. Let's cut to the chase and get to your bottom line -- you only believe what you want to believe, regardless of facts, and have no interest in open-mindedness.

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No. I don't trust the Times either, in this case they got it totally wrong, they get stuff wrong all the time. When they do it is because a reporter was stupid or biased and an editor was lazy. That's why I used this example. Despite what you hear all day from Rush and Sean the NYT is not a left leaning paper at all. Why would Cheney and McCain read it so much? The editorials are all over the place, some very left, some very right. The owners are generaly left, sometimes without logic.

Fox inserts opinion into it's news, or distorts as a matter of course. They used to recieve a daily talking points list direct from the White House according to Scott McClelan. They crossed the line from being a biased new source into being a mouthpiece for the Republican Party.

Before the internet The Peoples Daily was the only English language newspaper widely available in China. Pure propaganda. After getting mad for a while one learned to read it like reading tea leaves, what isn't being said, how is a situation being spun. Same same.

Check out the link. I couldn't find any untruths. More extensive than fact check dot org.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

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Hi speed levitation train to Vegas anybody?

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Met with Republican Rep. Mary Bono Mack from Riverside County's Coachella Valley. While a social moderate, Sonny Bono's widow is a solid conservative. Talked to her about Obama's $780 billion stimulus legislation. She's outraged that the plan has "$1 billion wasted on a magnetic-levitation train from L.A. to Sin City" - all at Nevada Sen. Harry Reid's doing.

After expressing my doubt that the Las Vegas line was actually in the bill's language, Bono Mack directs her staff to "get him the bill, it's right there, show him." A few minutes later, a staffer emerges with a copy and quietly says "it's not in the bill."

http://www.marinij.com/opinion/ci_11812088

I'd suggest Rep. Mary Bono widen her news sources.

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