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Critter- all I was ever charged up-front back then was the application fee of $5 or whatever it was, then later charged the tag fee if drawn. Maybe that is because I am a resident, don't know? Not sure how they handled non-resident apps. All I know for sure is that the fees went up a lot for everybody, and the online process was dropped, LOL.

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Unit15A:  It was long enough

Unit15A:  It was long enough ago that my memory failed me.  I know that Arizona had problems with large outfitting groups and all of their hunters puting in for the premium areas and it cause problems.  It was just after that that Arizona started to require you to purchase a license before the draw witch cut down a lot of those kind of applications.  I still don't know what their problem is with on line sales.  A lot of states do it and they require you to come up with the money up front also even doing it on line so you need a valid credit card.  Also states like Utah don't require it up front but your credit card better be good if you draw out. 

The nice thing about on line applications there is a lot less chance of an err, both on the hunters part and the game and fish. 

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It was long enough

If I remember correctly, the AZGFD outsourced the on-line drawing process to a company to develop it and then handle it for them. That same company later had trouble placing a 'bond" or something like that to back up the amount of money they were handling...? Maybe it was insurance or something, anyway it left the AZGFD holding all the risk if they folded or scooted off with all the money???? So it died...

Also I think it was US Outfitters(?), together with others I suppose, that filed suit on AZ limiting the number of non-resident tags, different fees, etc. claiming that most public land here was Nat'l Forest, BLM, etc. I think, and that all the animals in it belonged to the Feds, not the State, and thus they should be able to apply like any resident and in any numbers using the Commerce Clause as the reason. They were flooding the state with applications, the department rightfully feared residents would certainly suffer, and it became a battle in the courts that the state finally won. I think most of it centered around the Elk hunts, which even for a resident are hard to draw, with years between being drawn usually. We have great Elk hunting, but nothing in the numbers like Colorado and such. The fees and process also changed after that as well, and may be related somehow?

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You got it how I remeber it, about 100% right. And again 100% right on having great Elk hunting, but just not the numbers. We are not much different than other states when it comes to the percent of tags that are handed out to non-residents. We just have less numbers to hand out. I love not having the on-line process or atleast having to have the money up front. It sure isn't cheap putting in for some of the other states. I hate that it could become a rich mans hunt, but if you want something bad enough you need to earn it, is what I was always taught.

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I know that when the DOW's

I know that when the DOW's require the money up front it does cut down on the applications and now I do remember that it was US Outfitters that flooded the application process to get their clients a better chance.  It suprises me that they don't do the same thing in Utah since all you have to do there is come up with the application fee.  As far as for a company to do the on line drawing Utah uses a outfit out of Fallon, Nevada and I haven't heard any gripes out of anyone with them.   But then I guess that it all depends on what they charge the DOW for each application that they process. 

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