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Draw system, Bonus points

Arizona has a draw system for all big game. I have been a lucky hunter the last couple of years and have done really well on getting drawn or having my boys get drawn for a tag.

But what I would like to see AZ do, is if a hunter gets drawn for a big game permit. The they should become in-eligible for atleast 1 year. They should still have to buy a bonus point the following year, but for someone to have the chance to be drawn every year when you have some un-lucky hunters out there not getting drawn for 10+ years, just doesn't seem right. I think AZ Game and Fish Department does a good job for the most part, but I dont like this change.

AZ in the last few years increased number of tags to allow more hunters in the field, but we havent had an increase in animals, to my knowledge. A survey that us hunters took, basically said they wanted to hunt more often, so this was AZ's answer. The quality of the hunts are going away. I have seen an increase in tags in some units that have almost doubled what they were 3 years ago. Places are crowded and animals end up bouncing off the walls opening weekend because of all the hunters, in a couple of the units it almost feels un-safe.  I have heard alot of others that belive the same.

What is everyone else's opinion?

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 I dor know how AZ does there

 I dor know how AZ does there draw, but i like the way oregon does theres, You can draw every year but the chances are really slim to do that unless you put in for less than desirable area.

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I disagree with your thoughts

I disagree with your thoughts about having to wait a year if you draw the previous year. You are spending a lot of money just to buy a bonus point and have no change at drawing. At least you have a chance at drawing in consective years by applying. It's just my opinion but I like to have a chance if I'm going to spend the money. Othewise might as well just let the democrats spend it for ya

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The way that I look at it is

The way that I look at it is that it really isn't fair to the hunter that puts in every year and never draws but some kid puts in for the first time and bingo he gets his tag not one year but the next two or three years in a row. 

Utah's draw is almost the same.  I watched my nieces husband draw 2 elk tags in a limited entry hunt.  He had to wait 5 years after he drew the first one to put in for the second one.  He did all this while his father in law put in for 11 years before he was able to draw the same tag. 

Sometimes there is no justice. 

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Critter, You have a good

Critter,

You have a good point as well. I guess we will always be in this boat trying to get tags. The only other way I see is increase opportunity however that takes away trophy potential.

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CA is 90% goes to max point

CA is 90% goes to max point holders and

10% goes to random draw for everybody.

But the hunting in CA is not so good.

 

NV is the best in my opinion, they square there points. Example:

1 point would be 1X1=1+1= 2 Chances

5 points would be 5X5=25+1= 26 Chances

And NV has excellent hunting

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Draw system, Bonus points

I tend to agree with you on the newer increased permit system, thinking I liked the old one better. They basically lowered the number of rut timeframe hunts, shortened up some I think, and increased the number of hunts at other times. Seems most wanted the "opportunity" to get out in the field, vs. perhaps waiting longer for a tag of a higher success rate and lower hunter numbers.

One of the reasons I took up bowhunting so long ago was to get more quality hunting time, it was hard enough back then to get drawn for what you wanted. With the bow I could get tags over the counter for deer and turkey, go anywhere, and have long seasons too.

Anyway, the people spoke and guess that is the way it is. Not sure I like the sitting out part you suggest though... not sure my heart could take it, LOL.

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Only 1 year

A few thoughts after reading everyones comments. You would only be sitting out 1 year and I disagree it costing alot of money. To purchase a point is less than $10. Although you have to purchase a license. But that wouldn't mean I couldn't put in for other game each year.

I hate the fact that some get so lucky, and I am talking about me as well,  I was drawn 2 years in a row and the 2nd time was for an early rifle tag! This year I wasnt drawn and I am ok with that, now next year I hope I get lucky enough for something. It just seems like I would double my chances every other year. I sure dont want to wait another 8 -10 years before I get drawn and watch others get drawn 4-5 times in that same period.

I do like the idea of more percentage of the tags going to those with the most points. I like everything AZ does, outside of more tags in each hunt and not skipping a year.

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For a non res. its nonrefundable $151 lic fee and $232 for deer and $485 for antelope

and $595 for elk, and they want all the money upfront. I hope they go back to the online application service! At least you get a loyalty point for five streight years of applying and if you goto AZ and take their hunters ED corse you get a life time bonus point. 

At least the quail hunting is outstanding and i get to use my blackmail lic. i had to purchase. 

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I miss the online application service too, even though I think more people applied then making it even a little harder to get drawn. Putting all that money in up front at one time is rough if applying for multiple species/hunts; is for me anyway. With the online way, you didn't get charged on your credit card unless you were drawn.

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Money

Unit5A wrote:

I miss the online application service too, even though I think more people applied then making it even a little harder to get drawn. Putting all that money in up front at one time is rough if applying for multiple species/hunts; is for me anyway. With the online way, you didn't get charged on your credit card unless you were drawn.

If I remember correctly Arizona did require the money up front for their online draw a few years ago.  A lot of stated do it that way and there are a few that don't charge you unless you are drawn.  I have found out that the ones that don't charge you until after have alot more hunters putting in for the draw since they don't have to have the money up front.  One way that you don't have to worry about that in Arizona is to just put in for the bonus point.  Then once you think that you have enough go ahead and put in for the hunt that you want. 

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