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Don, It is amazing the things you say, to these people, wow, I can not believe it, you know it is funny, I myself have been a pro for almost fifteen years, I have fixed some of the worst, and made some of the best, bird dogs or retrievers. You suprize me with some of your thoughts, and all of your replies. You are an amazing man. You know, I have any where from 40 plus dogs that come through my kennel yearly, all breed pointing dogs and all breed retrievers. Most of them messed up, alot of puppies or starting dogs, and alot of finishing dogs. You would think that I might know a thing or two, maybe even three.
You never stop suprizing me! You retriever people, do a search for working retriever central, Go and browse the started dogs and trained dogs for sale, just browse at how many are under the age of two, just amazing, think of all those trainers that done to much to fast, Thanks again Don, and Way to go Thumbs up Thanks Jonesy Others if you need jonesy68@alltel.net try and help out, best I can, Mighty Mite Sorry , When you get into these type of matches, it is not fair to the people, they are unsure any way, but they got my e-mail, so later, Jonesy

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These posts are about opinions and my opinions are based on my own experiences. I too have a long past as a trainer, AKC field trial judge, NSTRA judge and giving classes in obedience and field work. I am one of the origional AKC pointing dog tests judges in the north west. My experience covers retrievers, spaniels and pointing dogs, primarly pointing dogs. I am not searching the web sites looking for dogs to train, I don't do outside dogs anymore. If I wanted to go back into training, I have to many people to work for to concern myself with searching web sites.

Far to many pros make a living giving advice that while true to a point, gets them pup's young.They start the pup's, turn them back to owners that don't continue properly and end up taking the pups back every year for problem fixing. I hope your not one of them.

So I welcome your coment's and opinions but don't expect me to be overwhelmed if I believe your wrong. I tried your e-mail deal hoping it would put me into a web site. Maybe you don't have one, I don't either. I don't know if you can do personnel messages on this site or not but, you can on "graybeardoutdoors" And I'll be glad to discuss things of this nature in private with you. I'm quite certain that a good many people put a lot of stock in what you say. If it's fool proof you should not worry about anything I or anyone else would have to say. When I give training tip's or suggestions, I'll also give reasons for why I feel that way and at times examples when they suit.

By the way, you'll find my real name on EVERY web site I participate in on the internet. There is plenty of room for honest opinion and discussion. People are generally not stupid and can figure out what works, what doesn't and what's reasonable! For the rest of the people here, my opinion's are my own. If they help you I'm glad. In the end, you'll decide what you want and how to get there. Feel free to disagree.

Don

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One thing on the browsing at the retriever site, it is under classifieds, these are dogs at this level at the age of 2, not starting at this age, just so there is no confusion. If you guys don't understand some of the initials, as to what the dog is doing, be more than happy to explain, Thanks Jonesy This might help you understand my confusion. Think

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