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It seems you know your subject, Charl. Cannot find any fault with your explanations, thanks.
We do discuss the issue of last light, not after dinner though- they might have had a few to drink and that clouds judgements. and not when we see the quarry because the sight of it might also cloud judgement. I know my wildlife though, I have worked in the bush and in etosha N.P long enough to know how close and how to approach any animal.
The wounded oryx was lying of to one side and we nearly walked past it because me and the tracker lost the spoor and were searching for it again- I wasn't a very good tracker back then. To tell the truth I dont even know if the oryx was charging or just confused as to where to run. It might have been in a stupor/sleep and woke up confused, but i think it did charge with intent on bodily harm. Think

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Madoqua wrote:
It seems you know your subject, Charl. Cannot find any fault with your explanations, thanks.
We do discuss the issue of last light, not after dinner though- they might have had a few to drink and that clouds judgements. and not when we see the quarry because the sight of it might also cloud judgement. I know my wildlife though, I have worked in the bush and in etosha N.P long enough to know how close and how to approach any animal.
The wounded oryx was lying of to one side and we nearly walked past it because me and the tracker lost the spoor and were searching for it again- I wasn't a very good tracker back then. To tell the truth I dont even know if the oryx was charging or just confused as to where to run. It might have been in a stupor/sleep and woke up confused, but i think it did charge with intent on bodily harm. Think

What you said can be true. I posted another thread with a picture of me and an Eland that I hunted. This animal was shot on the bridge of the nose with my .375 h&H and a 300gr SP. He went straight down, but was on his feet again in seconds. He was looking straight at us, when I took the shot (no other available option). He then came running straight at us. This was in thick mopanie as well. I kept my cool and at about 15 yards he turned away, and I managed to break his neck with a follow up shot.

Now. I firmly believed that the animal was dazed and confused by the 300gr slug passing under his brain, and did not know where he was going. Where was my faith full tracker? "Boss, that Eland was going to kill us" He was about 30 yards behind me in the only climbable tree around! lol
He sweared high and low to all the other hands, and hunters, that this Eland was charging us. Next year he will probably scare one of my clients that wants to hunt Eland with us sh..less with his story lol

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Follow-up shots?

Hmmmmmm......it's probably easy to 'Monday Morning Quarterback' some of these required experiences but if I were a PH......I'd EXPLAIN what was going to happen as far as a follow-up shot being required prior to a client booking a hunt with me and then.....if there were objections it would be best to work things out beforehand regarding this issue! This theory would solve lots of hard feelings possibly in the event a FUS was required! I'm quite certain that from time to time and from past experience a PH has seen certain situations take place whereby all on the hunt had occasion to shxt their britches.....and were it not for the quick and experienced reaction of the PH......some client or tracker would have had a horn or two up their rectum!! And I'm also quite certain that at times....there have been folks that have come to Africa to make a hunt that would have been more at home in a shopping mall in 'wherever' rather than in the bush of Africa!! Brick Wall,) Brick Wall,)

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Re: Follow-up shots?

Geez, I posted this topic so long ago that I had to go back and re-read what I posted.

I was not referencing questionable shots where the animal is moving into the brush or charging, but shots where the hunter dropped the animal. It just turned into a shoot fest by the PH and other members of the party when the hunter could have done the follow up shots if they were necessary.

Funny that you brought this up because I was watching tv and saw this happening this week and thought about it again. In this case, it was a PH harvesting a management elephant. He was with the PH guide and they found a bull elephant. The client (PH) made a frontal brain shot and dropped the bull in his tracks. As he hit the ground and lay motionless the PH and the tracker both fired shots into it. The client (PH) moved in and fired several more shots, but I question why it is necessary for the follow-ups by the PH and the tracker in that situation.

For me, that would ruin the hunt as I would feel that it was a team taking of an animal and not an animal that I took. I was merely looking for insight into this situation.

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Hmmmmmm......it's probably easy to 'Monday Morning Quarterback' some of these required experiences but if I were a PH......I'd EXPLAIN what was going to happen as far as a follow-up shot being required prior to a client booking a hunt with me and then.....if there were objections it would be best to work things out beforehand regarding this issue! This theory would solve lots of hard feelings possibly in the event a FUS was required! I'm quite certain that from time to time and from past experience a PH has seen certain situations take place whereby all on the hunt had occasion to shxt their britches.....and were it not for the quick and experienced reaction of the PH......some client or tracker would have had a horn or two up their rectum!! And I'm also quite certain that at times....there have been folks that have come to Africa to make a hunt that would have been more at home in a shopping mall in 'wherever' rather than in the bush of Africa!! Brick Wall,) Brick Wall,)
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Re: Follow-up shots?
CVC wrote:
Geez, I posted this topic so long ago that I had to go back and re-read what I posted.

I was not referencing questionable shots where the animal is moving into the brush or charging, but shots where the hunter dropped the animal. It just turned into a shoot fest by the PH and other members of the party when the hunter could have done the follow up shots if they were necessary.

Funny that you brought this up because I was watching tv and saw this happening this week and thought about it again. In this case, it was a PH harvesting a management elephant. He was with the PH guide and they found a bull elephant. The client (PH) made a frontal brain shot and dropped the bull in his tracks. As he hit the ground and lay motionless the PH and the tracker both fired shots into it. The client (PH) moved in and fired several more shots, but I question why it is necessary for the follow-ups by the PH and the tracker in that situation.

For me, that would ruin the hunt as I would feel that it was a team taking of an animal and not an animal that I took. I was merely looking for insight into this situation.

RMulhern wrote:
Hmmmmmm......it's probably easy to 'Monday Morning Quarterback' some of these required experiences but if I were a PH......I'd EXPLAIN what was going to happen as far as a follow-up shot being required prior to a client booking a hunt with me and then.....if there were objections it would be best to work things out beforehand regarding this issue! This theory would solve lots of hard feelings possibly in the event a FUS was required! I'm quite certain that from time to time and from past experience a PH has seen certain situations take place whereby all on the hunt had occasion to shxt their britches.....and were it not for the quick and experienced reaction of the PH......some client or tracker would have had a horn or two up their rectum!! And I'm also quite certain that at times....there have been folks that have come to Africa to make a hunt that would have been more at home in a shopping mall in 'wherever' rather than in the bush of Africa!! Brick Wall,) Brick Wall,)

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My post...was NO REFLECTION on you....or your post! Those are my own thoughts regarding the situation that some PH must be faced with from time to time regarding incidents and experience. lol Yes

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I have never hunted other than 1:1, so there has never been a team with multiple guns, just the Ph in Namibia and Tanzania. The PH in Tanzania never even loaded his gun, as the two buffalo were 120 yards away. I know I would be upset if everyone else started blasting away at a downed or non-charging animal, while I still had ammo and a shot. Talk to the Hand

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My post...was NO REFLECTION on you....or your post! Those are my own thoughts regarding the situation that some PH must be faced with from time to time regarding incidents and experience.

I certainly can understand why the PH would shoot in the situations you described. The safety of the client is in their hands and their judgement.

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