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Location: United States/FLORIDA
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dog hunters

back to the one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch...or does it? there's always going to be someone who will put a bad taste in everyone's mouth...in any thing!!!
we're all different and look at life in different view points...
we run deer with dogs...to shoot. and believe me, the deer win a lot more times than the hunters do....it's a lot harder to shoot a buck in front of a hound, running as fast as "he, the deer, wants to"...than killing one eating out of a feedlot, on a big game farm, or ranch.
a deer doesn't run extremely fast, unless he wants to, i've seen deer run back right through the middle of a pack of dogs, and i've seen a good hound come out on a deer track, that's been there 45 minutes...gone!
there are natural instincts born in animals to "kill". that's why their called animals and we're called humans. most humans are humane, but then there are those, who choose not to be so humane. i don't like seeing animals tortured, either...the way your talking about,...but then i don't hog hunt.
we also run fox, for just the running of the hounds. we don' kill them. and hate it if one does get caught, the hunter can pick to mouths of each one of his hounds, whether, it squeals, chops or barks in a particular way. it's amazing how some hunters can pick out their dogs out of a pack of hounds running.
but we can all pick something out of every sport or activity there is...it's just in what we like and dislike. i myself can't stand squeaking sneakers on hardwood floors in a gymnasium at a basketball game...or the roaring engins going around the tracks at car racing... to each his own.
just my opinion.... Yes

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Location: Bossier, La.
Joined: 02/15/2009
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To dog hunters....

I am not anti dog. Dogs just don't have a place in deer society. Duck hunting is fine. Small game, fine as well. Down here in Louisiana we are sick of dog hunting. I am tired of sitting in a stand hearing 4x4s going back and forth trying to cut off dogs unsuccessfully. All that these sub-par hunters are doing is rutting the roads up and ruining the hunting for all the neighboring clubs. They shoot anything the dogs jump. So, any points program that clubs in that area have is pointless and meaningless. I have bird hunted with Brittanies and duck hunted w/ labs. I have even run rabbits with beagles. But deer hunting with dogs, I've seen nothing like it. sad [/img]

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Location: swva
Joined: 01/14/2008
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To dog hunters....
Highflyer wrote:
I disagree strongly that we all have to stick together and that the end of dog hunting will be a foothold to end other hunting. I'd have to say that unethical behavior by a highly visible group of hunters is a far more dangerous thing.

I do agree strongly that we have to police ourselves, and those sub-groups with the highest visibility especially so. Sorry, but I've been in high visibility groups myself on the professional level and that's just how it is. Just digging your heals in and saying we're all in this together won't cut it, but finding ways to police and discipline your own type of hunting will. Until dog hunters figure this out, they are going to be attacked.

I was watching a bow hunting program on outdoor channel and I won't mention which it was but the guy took a poor shot and hit it back in the hips the buck went off dragging itself and the video return to the bow hunter and he is crying and acting nervious playing up tv about shooting a monster buck. what image has that left to anyone who watched it. Oh by the way, he didn't recover the deer as he back out of the woods to let the deer die and coyotes got to it and ate him but he sure was happier in hell to recover them antlers. I dunno.

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The one that (almost) got away

I know what you mean Hokieman.

I know a guy whose son shot a buck during the first week of gun season. They looked for it (I don't know how hard) but didn't find it. A week or two later the buzzards led them to a 170 class buck. The meat was wasted, the cape was unsalvageable, but you better believe they got the horns. It's at the taxidermist now, (along with a cape robbed from some other deer.) and every time I hear the story about "The big buck that ______ killed", I just want to puke. I know good and well they'd have never notched the tag if it hadn't had a big rack. Killing the animal is only half the hunt. Recovering the game is just as important, otherwise you haven't accomplished anything.

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Location: United States/FLORIDA
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lost buck

a good trail dog would have found that buck.....!!!!!!!!! Thumbs up

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Location: Summit, IL
Joined: 10/22/2006
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To dog hunters....

Good gravey this is an ANCIENT argument. I personally dont like running deer with dogs but I do enjoy coonhounds and rabbit hounds. Nothing more beautiful sounding than your lead mutt hitting hot trail and baying off! Then the rest packing in and hitting trail. Then (when coon hunting) they hit that hot den tree!! WOW. But nothing much uglier sounding than when you are drawn on a nice buck and all of a sudden here comes someones dog on your PRIVATE hunting grounds spooking that nice deer. I dont condem deer dog hunting but I dont have to like it. What I DO condem is the MISSUSE of dogs on private lands that dont allow it. Respect of the landowners is PARAMOUNT to our way of life. Landowners rights come first, period. I do like using dogs to help in game recovery since recovering a hit deer should be of the utmost importaince to us all. Have a piss poor blood trail, a Jack Russel Terrior is one of the best, if not THE best, game recovery dogs on the planet. Ask pretty much ANY PH in Africa if that isnt a true statement. If hunting deer over dogs is legal in your state, and you enjoy doing it, then by all means have fun and enjoy. But for heavens sake respect the neighboring properties and their landowners rights. I think thats all that ANYONE could reasonably ask for is it not? And to those rejects of the humane condition that talk all kinds of mess saying that they will shoot dogs. Shoot one of my babies and you will not like the results. You will be BEGGING for someone to take you to jail before I find you thats a promise!! It's by no means or way the DOGS fault!!! I read/hear that crap and want to go ballistic. Of course I dont have deer dogs but my beagle hounds are like my children and are treated damn near as well!!! Deer dog owners out there, I think the main concern of most people is the fact of you crossing private boundries. If you could control yourselves and your animals (shock collars work WONDERS) I think you would find the heat would be off of you. For those rednecked idiots that think the law doesnt pertain to you, here is a little something for you. Cross my POSTED fence line and you wont walk straight. **************Edited by Moderator********As far as your dogs, they will be well taken care of and retrained to stay within the boundries that I allow!!

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Location: United States/FLORIDA
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To dog hunters....

I AGREE WITH YOU, 100%. SEEMS LIKE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE AND HUNT, OR WHAT THE LAWS ARE.....THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THAT HUNTER, OF ANY KIND, THAT WILL NOT OBEY THE LAW, COMPLETELY, RIGHT?
HERE, IN FLA., YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION, FROM THE LAND OWNER, WITH YOU, TO CROSS ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY...FOR ANYTHING. IF YOU GO ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY TO HUNT, WITH A GUN, YOU ARE TRESPASSING WITH A FIREARM...A FELONY !!! I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DEER OUT THERE, THAT I WOULD GO TO JAIL FOR, PAY FINES, OR LOOSE MY RIGHTS FOR.
THAT'S TOTALLY STUPID, & DISRESPECTFUL.
WE ALSO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH NON-HUNTERS, SHOOTING GAME AT NIGHT, OUT OF SEASON, DOE, BUCK OR FAWN...AGAIN I SAY NON-HUNTERS. SO, NO MATTER WHERE, WHAT OR WHO, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THAT "IDIOT" THAT WONT FOLLOW THE RULES.
AND I HAD MY SHOW/FIELD TRIAL WALKER FOXHOUND GO MISSING ONE NIGHT AFTER RUNNING FOX IN THE WOODS, THAT WAS NEAR A COUPLE OF HOUSES....MANY YEARS AGO, (BEFORE TRACKING COLLARS), OH, DID I MENTION AFTER THE SHOT, SHE NEVER CAME IN???
THAT HURTS.

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Location: New Jersey
Joined: 05/15/2009
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Got Gritt Houndsmen

I dont blame the dog but the man running the dogs should no better when the season is over. The dog is doing what he is trained to do .So with that said look for the dogs owner take it out on HIM. GOT GRITT[/b]

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Location: South Florida
Joined: 06/10/2009
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To dog hunters....

I can see both sides of this issue. I understand the frustration of hunters when they spend a great deal of time scouting to pattern a deer and then set up a stand only to have a dog(s) come through and spook the deer they have been trying to pattern.

I can also understand hunters that use dogs as a way off increasing their odds of taking a deer during season. Since I have never hunted using dogs I do not think that I should comment either pro or con about using them.

This is just a question, I am not trying to start any crap with anybody but is the reason that some people hunt with dogs is because they can't take a deer without them??? Is it a matter of laziness???

Again, I am not trying to insult anyone, their heritage or how they or their ancestors have hunted for generations, I am just interested in why you hunt with dogs if you do not need to???

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Location: Florida,USA
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To dog hunters....

Welcome to BGH ,GrimReaper

To answer your question, hunting with dogs is just another method of hunting and another tool, far from being lazy. Anytime you see or hear that dog hunting is lazy hunting you are hearing from someone who knows nothing about it.
With me, when I used to hunt with dogs, it was a necessity because of the thick cover the deer had available. Year round mast and browse for them and they didn't have to move far to get all that they needed.

You have your hardcore Traditional Archery hunters who will say that modern Compound bows and firearms are the "lazy" way to hunt
The hardcore Compound bow hunters who think that firearm hunting is the "lazy" way to hunt.
And it goes on from there.

You never heard of problems with dog hunting until recently, that is because with Urban sprawl that has been occurring has broken up the large land tracts needed to run deer with dogs. Given this with the fact that dogs can't read and don't/won't stop at a fence and there in lies the problem.
Most dog hunters will not go onto someone else's property to retrieve their dogs without the owners permission but there are the few that don't respect property owners rights and will tear down a fence, gate or whatever it takes to pursue their dogs. Those are the only ones you hear about and they are the ones who are ruining ALL hunting.

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