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Does bad genetics prevent big racks

If a deer has bad genetics but lives for a long time does he end up with a "big" ugly rack or does his rack only get so big no matter how long he lives?

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Does bad genetics prevent big racks

Poor genetics will stop a good rack as well as improper feed. Poor genetics is generally caused from inbreeding because of overpopulation of a herd.

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Yes poor genetics...............or maybe we should just say genetics will ultimately dictate how big a buck will grow. The abundance and quality of the food and the local mineral availability will also come into play. Given good food and minerals, and being allowed to grow old enough the deer will grow as big a rack as his genetics will allow.

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But even with the worst of genetics he would have to get a pretty good sized rack if he lived like ten years right? I mean he wouldn't remain a spike or a four point would he?

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Yes poor genetics...............or maybe we should just say genetics will ultimately dictate how big a buck will grow. The abundance and quality of the food and the local mineral availability will also come into play. Given good food and minerals, and being allowed to grow old enough the deer will grow as big a rack as his genetics will allow.
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Actually after about 6 or 7 years old a buck will tend to fall off on rack production and start going downhill...Like Makwa said...Its all dependeant on several factors.

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mufan..........cam69 is right on the money. This happens with all antlered game. Past prime the antlers begin to go down hill to varying degrees. They will often retain mass but decrease in size and there have been examples of really old bucks and bulls (happens to elk and moose) getting back to a spike.

I saw a really old bull elk that just had a really long massive spike with a few bumps and kickers on it. I had a hunter kill a bull moose that still had palms but the spread had decreased and there were only two big dagger points where there use to be a brow palm or a number of brow points.

Not all deer have the same genetic potential for huge antlers, regardless of the quality of the feed, any more than every horse that was ever born has the build, stamina and heart to win the Triple Crown.

If you want to look at it another way...take African lions. We always think of the big maned MGM bloke. In real Africa male lions only grow a huge mane in some areas of the continent. In other areas a mature male may just have a scruffy whisp of a mane. There is also documented evidence to show that hunters shooting the big maned males has left the big boys with next to no mane around to do the breeding and produce more lions with poor manes.

Genetics!

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Simple terms....There is a reason that making out with yer cousin is wrong other than mamma said so...In proper deer management theory...The reason for taking out alot of does and bringing the buck to doe Ratio to 1 to 1 is to stop inbreeding. With a proper buck to doe ratio there is also less potential for the bucks to kill themselves for breeding potentials. Typicly younger bucks are chased out of the herd. But the problem is the Does arent quite as aggressive towards each other and arent ran out...Hence the need to weed out the does to help to eliminate inbreeding. In unhindered nature with the habitat left unincumberd and not encroached upon by man then the deer will not have a problem and would self sustain. But with the never ending encroachment of man into the wildlife habitat, the problem falls upon man to MANAGE deer because of our transgression into thier natural habitat. Simply put...We screwed up their house so we have to clean it up!!

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Absolutely....................and we have to get hunters to shoot more does and let some of the young bucks stick around.

Why or why do hunters insist on killing a baby buck for meat.....it has to be as it sure as hell isn't a trophy............and not a nice fat doe? In the long run it will be better for the hunters looking for a decent buck and better for the deer.

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Makwa wrote:
Absolutely....................and we have to get hunters to shoot more does and let some of the young bucks stick around.

Why or why do hunters insist on killing a baby buck for meat.....it has to be as it sure as hell isn't a trophy............and not a nice fat doe? In the long run it will be better for the hunters looking for a decent buck and better for the deer.

because alot of hunters dont care about the size of the buck...as long as they get a buck. there was a time when i didnt care how big the antlers were...just as long as it had them. bucks are more elusive than does..maybe thats why theyll take anything with antlers.

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Does bad genetics prevent big racks

Old Bucks and Old Does are elusive, Young bucks and young does are easy pickin's.

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Yes, and hunters that never learn to pass on the easy pickings of young bucks and young does, never get to experience the challenge of hunting the older bucks.

Oh well, each to their own I guess, but the hunting season would be rather short for me if I took the first young legal animal I saw. Filling my tags the first day of the season would sure cause me to miss out on a lot of great days in the field hunting and observing the deer.

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