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cam69conv wrote:
The guy that killed the buck is a contractor of mine, his name is Randall. Him and his brother own the place. They have a large enclosure( @2000 acres),

Ok.....2000 acres is NOT a canned hunt....I dont care who you are thats a hard *** hunt. People need to get a little bit of a grip on reality here...Now I dont agree with these little fly by night 25 acre enclosures where you pay 20k just to kill a damn deer with a big rack...But 2000 acres? Comeon...Thats a hunt...How many in here can say they have had the opportunity to hunt 2000 acres even unfenced? Thats a hunt I dont care what anyone thinks! Get real people...2000acres is a fine hunt and basicly its allowing the owners of the land to manage the deer to their full potential (obviously) and it shouldnt be knocked!!

Cams.....Fenced is fenced no matter how big the enclouser......but I can understand and agree with you to a point on the area...25 acres is a big diff from 2000......but when you throw a fence up around the area it is instantly the same....for example you put a fence up in Eastern Montanna with 2000 acres of nothing but open grasslands and you have 5 deer on it....and you hunt down and kill one of those deer.....its the same as throwing a fence up around the same flat grassland with only 25 acres with the same 5 deer on it....its still the same....the only differance is the time it's gonna take you to get one.....

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That deer is huge

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cam69conv,
This whole managing thing kills me. who are you to " manage" the game. That is why we have tags and fish and game. If you are managing the game. It is live stock. try doing a real hunt. If it's not canned what is the success rate? 100% maybe 90% because of a missed shot? I bet your a "pro hunter" to.
your fooling your self. it might be a lot of fun. but canned just the same. it is not hunting. just because you kill something, does not make it hunting. I go out and find the game in the woods. I don't plant food to bring them to me or have a dinner bell go off when the food comes out. Just go to the mountains and do it your self. you will see what hunting is...

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bowhuntidaho wrote:
cam69conv,
This whole managing thing kills me. who are you to " manage" the game. That is why we have tags and fish and game. If you are managing the game. It is live stock. try doing a real hunt. If it's not canned what is the success rate? 100% maybe 90% because of a missed shot? I bet your a "pro hunter" to.
your fooling your self. it might be a lot of fun. but canned just the same. it is not hunting. just because you kill something, does not make it hunting. I go out and find the game in the woods. I don't plant food to bring them to me or have a dinner bell go off when the food comes out. Just go to the mountains and do it your self. you will see what hunting is...

#1 Bowhuntidaho....I was raised in the Back Hills of Tennessee and was hunting deer probably before you were a gleem in ya daddy's eyes. I know what hunting is lil one and know it well...I have hunted all over this country with everything from a LongBow to a rifle and pretty much everything in between. Deer management is OUR responsibility as hunters and if you knew ANYTHING about hunting you would know this. PROPER deer management is good for the herd as well as the hunters. It thins out the herd to a number that the NATURAL habitat can sustain. Deer are stupid creatures when it comes to habitat and will eat themselves out of a home in a single season if not managed properly. Food plots are not just for the hunter but for the deer and other animals as well!! Oh and for the comment "why do you think we have tags"...MANAGEMENT IS WHY...And it is OUR responcibility to USE them in a proper way to MANAGE the deer to a successful herd.

Ridgerunner,

I totally agree with you on the fencing off "prairy" type land and thats not what we were discussing here,,,What we were discussing was These good places that keep plenty of COVER in these huge acreage enclosures...Now again ill say this...I have NEVER hunted DEER in one of these places but I have hunted a few exotics on them for 2 reasons...Reason one was I dont feel comfortable in Africa because of all the diseases there that are transferable from a simple bug bite. Call it a stupid reason but I dont like the thought and its not gonna change ma brain. #2 is...I hunt for MEAT. I could really care less about a set of horns other than the knowledge that I have good genetics in my herd and im managing my property correctly which a good rack signifies...And you cant bring home the meat on these safari hunts to Africa. I happen to like alot of the meats from these exotics and since you cant LEGALY get them here in the states unless you hunt them on a hi fenced property then I am limited to them...But I research each place and know how they are before each one and if its "canned' then Ill say sorry NO...But if they are a 1000+ place and they tell me it may take up to 5 days to even SEE the animal I am after then THATS what Ill hit out for.

Sorry Im still crackin up over the "Just go to the mountains and do it yourself" statement. Bow...When you have been to 1/8 as many hunts FREE RANGE as me and been 1/16th as successful then you may shout...Untill then you may wish to research people before you attempt to insult them Thumbs up

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Heres a wild whitetail my friend killed on our DIY/swap Kansas hunt in 2006 so big deer are out there and this one did not need a fence to grow huge by the way he grossed 285 and 3/8 and had about 20 inchs in broken tines so he would of been over 300. They are out there.

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Wow
Thats a nice deer

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I’m new to the forum and don’t want start any fires, but I’ve thought and read a lot about this topic. To me it seems that people hunt trophies for different reasons. One example is that it is a way to judge you to other hunters. I don’t really buy into this ideology. To me a trophy is a trophy because it is an animal that has lived to maturity because it has survived nature’s limitations and many seasons of previous hunts before hand. To harvest one of these rare animals elevates your standard and definitely tests your skill. And if you can put one of these animals on your wall, now that’s an achievement. However with the issue of high-fences, you remove potential predators (humans, wolves, and coyotes), other competitors (does), and diseases. This is hardly natural and thus hunting this animal because it is a superior target is no longer sensible. Cam69 you mentioned that it is the same as food plots. I agree with you. They provide non-natural resources in order to produce yields of trophies. They are both artificial substitutes that result in people harvesting superficial “trophies.” I also agree that taking one of these big bucks in a big area may be hard. But my question is: would they be as big as they are in the fenced in area if they were in the wild? On the topic of management; it is not all the same. There is a distinction between public management: deer herds, and private management: buck herds. Finaly, I agree with you that it is the publics' responsibility to manage wildlife; which was coincidentely also Aldo Leopold's vision.

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I could really care less how some one else hunts. The great thing about hunting is the hunter creates his own realm of diffaculty and neccessary skills.
You can decide to bow hunt, or gun hunt? Then even brake that down into modern, or traditional? You can stalk, or sit in a blind or tree. What do I care?
Even when you get into bait or no bait? or foodplots? etc.

I have never hunted deer behind a high fence. Never will. For me the one on one with wild trophy bucks that might not get that old based on public land, car accidents, or whatever is the prize. But for those who choose to shoot high fence deer, What do I care?

The only thing I dislike, is when they try comparing there high fence deer, to my public land trophy.... Nope, not the same.

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i agree with a few people in heer fenced is not hunting if you want to hunt deer get off your lazy bums go talk to some property owners and get permision then spend your weekends during the summer scouting insted of showing up at some deer ranch with a wad of cash in your hand just to go out and shoot a "trophy" buck. when you put all your spare time into preparation and scouting then at the moment when you find that deer laying in some weeds 150 yds from wher you shot it thats a real trophy in my book.

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2000 acre enclosure

Lets keep in mind that a 2000 acre enclosure is only 1.5 miles across...that's not really enough for a "natural" movement pattern. Whitetails can move a long ways on and off an unfenced area. The fence would make it easier finding, patterning, and hunting game.
I don't think animals from fenced areas should be caounted in the books. Even if the hunt is difficult and the area is large, it's still an artificial enclosure.

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