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Doe in heat

I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to how early in the rut stage to use doe in heat scent. I've had good luck using these scents before before but I usually never put them out untill i'm sure that that there are does coming into estrous. I was just wondering if it would hurt anything to put out these scents 2-3 weeks before the rut will be in full swing. The reason I'm asking this is because this past weekend i saw a small 4 point out in a field with 4 does. He was out there lip-currling and chasing does like the rut was in full swing but that is atleast 2 weeks away. I figured if a buck smelled the chance to get a little "action" a little early he would jump at the chance.

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Doe in heat

Your method of thinking is on the right track here. Bucks are pretty much ready to breed anytime after they shed velvet. The pre-rut is a good time to use estrus scents because the bucks are really goin nuts trying to find a doe that is ready to breed. Doe in heat scents should lure the bucks in thinking that there is a receptive doe in the area. I've heard of some really nice deer taken in the pre rut period this way. Good luck and good hunting.

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While I'm not a whitetail hunter, I have been told/read that if they are lip curling you should start the heat scents.

That is a definitive sign the bucks are looking for action even if the estrus cycle is not in full swing.

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I totally agree with bitmasher. The reason they are Lip Curling is that they are collecting scent molecules in their nostrils and are concentrating them all together in the curl of their lip, trying to get some indication that a nearby Doe is ready.
According to a Florida State Biologist that I talked to,The Buck will lick either the Doe or the ground where she has urinated or defecated or even just her trail (a Doe in heat can get pretty nasty on her backside and it drips to the ground) and then he'll lick his lips and curl the scent into his nostrils. He'll also bleat like a fawn or a goat while doing this to break out the combo grunt/bleat tube also.If he starts using a series of long grunts then she is really close and he is getting really excited. Stick with that Doe and you'll get guaranteed action
Keep an eye on the young bucks body language also. If they suddenly pop up at a ridged attention, stareing at the trees and walking kinda stiff legged then there is Daddy buck nearby. Get ready.

[ This Message was edited by: JTapia on 2003-10-30 15:16 ]

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I read somewhere once that the fake estrus is bad to use later in the rut though.

The reasoning being that once Mr. Buck has had a few days of real estrus smell they can easily differiate between fake and real scents and get spooked by the synthetic/stale stuff.

Anybody have practical experience with scents through the rut and whether this is true?

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The trick is to make sure you're using a good quality scent. Spent just over an hour one day at the local shop comparing deer scents. It's another one of those where it pays to spend a little more. If I have any leftover after the season I toss it. Keep it as fresh as possible. There's a lot of garbage out there, and alot of very good products. Don't be afraid to try something new, what works for you may not for the next guy.

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The lip curling thing is called "Flemen". They will do it any time of the year they catch an odor that interests them or they can't recognize. A horse acts at times a lot like a deer. Stallions will do this often when coming onto a mare's manure pile. It doesn't matter whether it is dead of summer and all the mares are bred, he will still do it. My stud will also uninate on the piles to mark his territory just like a dog or buck.
I personally don't use scents at all anymore. I tried them for nearly 30 years and my notes never showed whether they did anything, good or bad. The big problem I finally realized was this, if they can smell the scent, they can smell you. There is no place you can put the doe in heat stuff where the wind doesn't blow your scent molecules in the same general direction.
All the new Scent Lock clothing helps some. But after spending the bucks to buy it and then being up close and personal with deer I now know for a fact that you cannot "Forget the wind, just hunt."

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