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The article on this site regarding high fence hunting which seemed to look favorably upon future possible privitization of hunting management instead of the states. I am wholly oppossed to this idea as I see the future down that road as hunting closed off to only those who can afford the highest bid. Unfortunately with high fence operations and wild but private ranches I fear hunting is already headed down that road. Maybe not in my time but for younger generations down the road they may not even know what public hunting land was and only if extremely wealthy be able to afford to hunt an operation but at least the bucks and bulls will have been genetically engineered to have the hugest racks so their 12,000 dollars will be well spent on a rack they can hang on the wall.

When you go to privitization the end goal will be profits only with no regard to the individual hunter just to the stockholders. Sad.

This sounds like what they have in South Africa from what I know about hunting there. 

I prefer free-range hunting and I do it because I like the challenge so high fence hunting would generally not be for me.  I also prefer not to have the vision of you in a loin cloth and spear in my head, but I do now - thanks a lot.

I also recognize that high fence hunting offers opportunities for some that they may otherwise not have.  Some may not be fortunate enough to go to Africa to hunt an impala (which very well may be on a ranch that is high fence) but can go to TX and take one.

Does it present the thrill and challenge that you described - nah, not for me, but for that person it may so I say good for them.  Take the impala, get it mounted and be proud of it.

I use this analogy.  In golf you have some amatures that are very serious about the game and have very low handicaps.  They follow the rules to the letter and are very competitive.  Then on the opposite extreme, you have the guy that likes to get together with his buddies, have a few beers, take a mulligan here and there and just have fun.

Each is a "golfer" but with different goals and abilities.  The same way with hunters.  Some will climb the mountain just for an opportunity at a goat.  They train, they shoot regularly and they hunt.  On the other hand you've got the guy who works 80+ hours a week, rarely gets time off, but likes to go on an estate hunt each year.  He too is a hunter, just in a different class.

When we rid the world of all those that would ban hunting then we can be more selective in our "club."  Until then I personally welcome all those that act legally when hunting.

SoCo - this is not directed to you.....I just happen to get on my soap box while responding to your post....Big smile

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I'd wear the loincloth tomorrow for my antelope hunt but it's going to a tad bit too chilly and if the warden's out there he may question my sanity and confiscate my gun (and I'd have to fashion a spear out of some stick).

No worries man, it's cool discussion and what ever the tide is going to bring, it's going to bring.

Take care!

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My biggest problem with the

My biggest problem with the fenced hunting, whether 5 or 5,000 acres, is that you are GUARANTEED that there are animals there somewhere.  You could go hunt a "wild" 5,000 acre tract in Colorado for elk, becasue maybe you or someone you know spotted an elk there, but there is no guarantee in it.  With the high fenced hunting, you are sure that there is an animal somewhere in that preserve.  Plus, the guides/owners are very well aware of where their animals frequent or hang out.

So, to say that you can walk 3 days on 5,000 acres and wish you were somewher else, how accurate is that really?  If you hunt these properties, are the guides/owners not going to steer you in the direction of the critters????

Again, if legal, I won't try to stop your right to do it, but I just won't call it hunting.

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When I hunt I am not

When I hunt I am not competing against anyone.  I like the challenge of the hunt so generally, high fence hunting is not for me, but I would not go as far as to say it is not hunting.

Why exclude a group of individuals that believe they are hunting and are hunters?  Exclude them and then we have fewer in our ranks.  Include them and their votes and when there are initiatives to stop hunting, they will be there to stand with the other hunters.  Exclude them, demean what they do and perhaps they will drop from the ranks.

The definition of a hunter doesn't have to be black and white.  It can include varying shades of grey.  Keep in mind, no matter how hard you hunt, someone hunts harder.  As long as it is legal, I say we are all hunters.

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GUARANTEED -

GUARANTEED that there is a Kudu for instance but NOT GUARANTEED that you will find a SCI gold medal or a high scoring one. Just as you are GUARANTEED that that animal is still on the 5000 acre easy hunting piece of property because your trail cam still shows activity.

 "So, to say that you can walk 3 days on 5,000 acres and wish you were somewher else, how accurate is that really?  If you hunt these properties, are the guides/owners not going to steer you in the direction of the critters???? It my dear friend is as accurate as to the sun will rise in the east. And n the guides/owners can not GUARANTEE you and or steer you to where the animals are. We call ourself Professional Hunters and not guides, where as a guide will tell you where the boundary is we hunt the animal just as hard as the client does and hope the track we are following get us to a trophy animal, we do not use trail cams. Why is it that people like to comment on things they have no idea about.

I call it hunting, point and again we do not use trail cams, scent blockers, camo clothes, calling  and other gadgets, just old style bush sense, tracking and out witting the animal... do not know what you call what you are doing... unfair advantage killing???.

 

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I didn't feel there was the need...
I didn't feel there was the need......
  

 

458express wrote:

How naive can one be free ranging hunting, "I'll hunt with my rifle where the game is wild and can run into the next county or game management unit if so inclined." How big an area can you hunt in, the biggest public hunting in Wisconsin is 6500 acres (2600 hectare) and the smallest 135 acres. The average high fenced area non domesticated, you are uninformed about that, game management area I hunt on is 5000 hectare you must think animals are stupid. Please come and walk that area after a Kudu, by day 3 you would wish you were hunting the 135 acres back home. If you want I can also guide you on a 49400 acre (20000 hectare) high fenced area. Dear Sir, you will again wish you opted for a 2000 acre area in your parts of the world. The farms that I am talking about is bushveld, the same size farms in the Kalahari can also be done on foot, has been done and can do again. The challange and wilderness of it - come on, on a 5000 acre piece of property. Now according to Boone & Crockett's fair chase statement "and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals" Putting up trail cams is not improper advantage, sitting in a blind (yes we do see how it is done in your part of world - both rifle and bow) on the game trails - not improper advantage. I am asking and If someone does it I will not think any less of them, that is what makes him/her happy just do not think because there is a high fence you will push this animal and shoot it against the fence. Maybe you were refering to high fenced area that is 1240 acres in size, yes that will take you maybe two days to find the animal, if you know what you are doing, perhaps get a 300 yard shot at it. I am talking about 30 - 50 yards on a 49000 acre property, that is hunting. I think that is bigger than some counties.

 

But, maybe I should have clarified, I am referring to native species of game in the US such as deer and elk. Those of which are bred and raised by man and then hunted within the confines of a high fence from which they cannot escape. I know some of the outfits articifially inseminate the does and or cows in order to ensure the highest genetic potential for huge racks. Now how wild can an animal be if herded around and artifically bred like cattle?

To me that does not constitute hunting if one takes game from such an establishment. To me it would be tantamount to going to a ranch and paying the rancher to kill one of his bulls. And, I am not one who will relinquish my standards because some feel anything to do with a weapon and killing an animal is good for hunting. After all it is just my standard which I am sharing here. I'm sharing my opinion on a forum, however, I am not on a crusade to extinguish this practice from anyone who cares to engage in it.

Also, I am not taking about AFRICA, as I don't hunt in AFRICA, likely will never hunt in AFRICA, nor am I up on the in's and out's of high fence hunting in AFRICA.

Nor, am I talking about hunting exotic animals in America to be clear. My opinion again had only to do with the hunting of native species in the US in high fence outifits.

I hope this has made my OPINION on the matter clear.

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