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Do we really need a MAGNUM?

The 7mm produces about 20-23ft-lbs of recoil. Just slightly more than a 30-06.

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it doesnt kick to me,if the recoil does not bother me or make my shoulder sore after firing several rounds I dont call that kick.Some people have a much higher threshold for recoil,i have friends that dont think my 300 kicks...I dont even notice the 30-06 recoil anymore,maybe its all that magnum shooting i do,maybe I built up a tolerance.How much more recoil does the 300 wm produce over the 7? Think

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Do we really need a MAGNUM?

While hunting in the field, rifle recoil is usually not felt. At the range is another story.

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At the range is very important. Getting your shoulder bruised doesn't help you become proficient with a rifle. The new Ultra Mags give you more of the former than the latter.

When trying to measure the ACTUAL utility of a magnum round, it is important to recognize the advantages as well.

The 7mm Remington Magnum has a trajectory and energy advantage over the 30-06, 270, 280, 7mm-08 and similar rounds, and a bullet-weight advantage over the 264 Winchester Magnum. It shoots faster and flatter, and hits harder. It also generates more punch and takes advantage of more bullet weights than the newer 270 WSM, which gives it the edge there as well. It is a good choice for long, open-country shooting, although the long rifles that this cartridge is chambered in are likely to be cumbersome and inconvenient to carry in the brush. In terms of handload potential, it is right up there with the 7mm STW in performance. In my opinion, the other, bigger, 7mm magnums are both inefficient and unnecessary for the bullet weights associated with this bore diameter.

The 300 Winchester Magnum has pretty much the same characteristics and offers the same general advantages, but with heavier bullet weights. A 180 grain bullet from this round flies flatter than a 270, and delivers over a ton of energy at 400 yards or greater. The more energetic 300 Ultra Mag, 300 Jarrett, and 300 Weatherby Magnum generate more punch, but except when going for very large animals at long distances, they are not needed. They would be very good to have if hunting dangerous animals like bears, lions, etc.

Where serious penetration and knockdown power are desired or required, one of the 338 magnums might be a good choice. Moose, brown bear, polar bear, etc can be pretty tough. Personally, I'd rather be packing one of the 338's than one of the 300 Mags if a big griz (brown) decided to charge.

Choosing a magnum over a standard cartridge should be more than a matter of simply wanting more power, although if that's what someone does, the more power to them. It makes more sense to me to choose in a more economically efficient manner.

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Ill stick with my magnum,its magic!! Thumbs up neener! Thumbs up

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Ha-ha-ha.. not really. eye roll

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Ohhhh Yhe of little faith,one must never underestimate the power of the wand!!!! Shame on You! my "magic wand" will be staying behind tomorow when I go up north for the opening of archery season,if Im REAAAALLLLLL lucky i wont need the wand for the rest of elk season! Mr. Cool!

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Do we really need a MAGNUM?

I've never really understood magnums aside from some highly specialized situations/hunts, and I'm positively convinced that this new short/super-short magnum crap is nothing short of a marketting ploy. My 2cents anyway.

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Do we really need a MAGNUM?

I don't know about that. I think the WSM are here to stay but the SAUM from Rem will fall to the way side. Besides, isn't the 308 win just a short version for the 30-06 and it stayed.

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I agree with Saskie, but I think the WSM's are going to be around for a while. The super-short mags I think are dead already, it's a matter of them figuring that out. I do think they're going to drop back in the near future once the novelty of the very short, very fat cases wears off.

On the other hand, the established magnum calibers, and the newer 300 and 338 RUM's have a very bright future, in my opinion.

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