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Did that deer just bust me? maybe not

This is a little tutorial for some of the newer and maybe some of the older hunters that are not "aggressive" with deer. take it for what its worth but these are my observations over 30 years of hunting deer in the midwest and west.

I've always been of the mind that i am smarter than a deer? right? okay i cant smell better see movement better or hear better than they do BUUUT my brain is definitely bigger.

okay that being obvious right? well not really. many people think that deer are super duper smarties but they really can be tricked if you are patient and use your brain.

i am going to talk mostly about patience here: scenario:

you are in your stand and hear a buck grunting and scraping on trees but you can't see him...LOOK AGAIN: use your binos...look for trees moving, the tips of antlers, the flick of a tail...now if you absolutely DONT see him...LOOK AGAIN!! before you move...

next scenario....movement... i said i cant see movement better than a deer right? well deer don't seem to see depth as well as we do...that is why camo patterns wor so well. i have stalked up to within 40 yards of whitetails by being careful not to MOVE while they are looking...and if the do happen to catch me moving i stop and drop...then i will tickle horns lightly and maybe grunt a few times....hold still and 9 times outta 10 they will look hard for a few minutes then go back to their business... this works best around the rut period. IF YOU THINK they busted you just hold absolutely still and DON'T give up unless they run....just because they "THINK" they see something don't let them win the stare down...don't look directly at them and DON"T move.

 i had a doe 6 yards from me 3 days ago and she thought she saw me...she stomped, snorted,stomped some more for 15 minutes...then guess what? she gave up and started feeding again right where she stood...there wasnt a whisper of wind and it was tough to hold pefectly still for so long....i wanted to just give up but i knew she didnt have me...if she had she would of ran away, taking the other 8 deer in the field with her.

ive had friends tell me that doe just busted me when i picked up my bow...i ask, did she run...well no but she stood there huffing and stomping...when asked did they move aferwards they always say yes....they GAVE up and the deer won the stare down...again DON'T GIVE UP until they run!! and i dont mean walk away or trot i mean RUN!!

and they may trot off only to let curiousity get the better of them shortly....i killed a small 6 point last year after i jumped him out of his be...under my stand... i simply layed in the grass and let him huff n puff for 20 minutes, then he walked away far enough to let me into my stand...i grunted and rattled the whole time and 15 minutelater he came back and i put an arrow through his lungs...

so be patient and dont move!

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I am amazed at what I can see

I am amazed at what I can see when there is movement.  I flicker of a squirrel's tail at 30 yards in deep brush gives them away.  I bird hopping onto a branch.  As you said, movement is your enemy, but it you stay still, you blend in like the squirrel.  I see him clearly when he moves, but as soon as he stops he disappears and I am not sure if he is there or not.

I've been caught in awkward positions by does and I managed to stand still, but I sure wish I was in a more comfortable position.

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agreed...our bodies and minds

agreed...our bodies and minds and lifestyles make it hard for us to stay STILL!

last night i had an 8 point buck at 8 yards! thought he saw something but gave up after only a minute or 2 and i drew back...for practice...i want the beast

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The other thing I've learned

The other thing I've learned is not to make direct eye contact with them.  Maybe it is the white of my eyes, but I think they are more certain that I don't belong if they see my eyes on them.

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they say a whiteltail can see

they say a whiteltail can see you blink from 20 yards?? not sure if its true cuzz ive blinked plenty of times and not been busted for it...but i do wear glases so maybe....

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Good thoughts here guys. I

Good thoughts here guys. I would have to agree that you should not give up till they are gone. I do not ever give up first in a stare down... because I think I have won the vast majority of them by just staying still. And this goes for elk too. I have also had this work out for me with a buck antelope at about 150 yards. Me and my dad were stalking a doe and he popped up out of the ditch. We froze and had a stare down for what felt like an eternity. It was probably like 5 minutes or something. We did not have as much as a bush in front of us but just by staying still he eventually went back down into the ditch and bedded back down. We were then able to creep up to the edge and shoot a doe. Don't give up on them. They have a short memory and you can dupe them pretty easy if you just freeze.

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it is hard

It is hard to hold still.  Especially when you think that you have been busted.  But you have nothing to lose by TRYING to stay invisible.  So I agree.  I do wonder about meeting their eyes though.  It just seems that animals can sense when you are looking directly at them.  I don't know if it is true or not but I have heard old hunters say that if there is a deer clsoe to you you shouldn't stare directly at it because they can "feel" you.  Certain people are like that too.  Stare at them from a distance awaya nd they look up right at you while they might not otherwise look in that direction for a long time or maybe not even at all.  Maybe its just coincidence but I've had deer do it too.  So I try to keep the deer in sight while not staring directly at them.

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Sometimes . . .

. . . deer are just so curious.

I have heard that (sometimes) a deer will not "bust" you until it has verified that you are a danger to them with at least two of their senses. I know, no one has asked the deer this, and the deer certainly haven't volunteered this information. But from what I have observed, it may very well be true -sometimes.

How many times have you had a deer do just as has been said here - they see you, but they putter around and stomp their feet and bob their head, etc. - yet they still don't run off?

I suggest that it's because even though they know something is there that doesn't belong, unless you stood up and waved your arms, they just might hang around until they either hear you or smell you as well as see you.

Here's a true story:

Several (maybe 15) years ago my wife and I were hunting and she had a very interesting and amusing situation.

She was sitting on a chair with her back to a clump of small trees when a doe appeared through some brush 25 yards away. She had heard it coming, and had turned slightly to be ready if it was a buck.

The doe had a fawn with her, and she saw my wife and went on alert - tail at 3/4 mast, ears perked, etc.

My wife watched for a couple of minutes until she was satisfied that there wasn't a buck behind the doe, then started talking to the deer in a soft voice.

"Hello there. You sure are pretty this morning. That's a real nice baby you've got there.", etc.

Not the kind of stuff that I'd say, but hey - what do I know about talking to deer?

Anyway, as long as she kept talking, the deer's tail would go down and she'd kind of relax. When my wife quit talking, the tail would go back to half-mast and she'd start looking fidgity.

This kept up for a good 15 minutes according to my wife, and the doe finally just turned and walked back into the bush, taking her fawn with her.

I would have thought that the deer would have tried to circle downwind, and I'm sure that if it did, it would have left much more quickly.

But all that time, my wife didn't move - and that's what our original poster was saying. You can get away with a lot if you just don't move.

 

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