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pangocat with all your rhetoric about "scientific method" and then presenting Al Gore as a scientist and pushing "Global Warming" as "scientific fact" is quite the mother of all oxymoron-icy.

Scientific Method states that you formulate a theory, devise testing to prove that theory and submit your conclusion and allow others to use your testing methods to duplicate your conclusions. All it takes is for one set of testing results to disprove the conclusion and you are right back at square one.
There is no way that Global warming can be given the designation of "scientific fact" as it has not been proven consistently using the exact same data.
It(global warming) has also not come to past as the earth seems to be in a cooling cycle according to most available data.

That being said, it is true that you can agree with a certain theory based on your interpretation of available data and draw your own conclusion but it is not a scientific fact and should not be confused as such nor touted as such. It is only your "informed" opinion.
In conclusion before you look down your nose and ostrisize someone in your condescending manner, please educate yourself and at least know what the words you are using mean.

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JTap, you're forgetting that in Pangocat scientific theory, you form a conclusion, and then conduct research to confirm the conclusion. If data arises that contradicts it, you discount the data as unreliable and only focus on data that supports the conclusion. If nothing supports it, then you announce that it's obviously true and everyone knows it.

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We don't need scientists to prove that Gore is wrong, the world's climate and weather will do that for us. In a few years it will become apparent what a snake oil salesman he was.

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The 2008 election ended the reign of junk science in our nation’s capital, and the chances of meaningful action on climate change, probably through a cap-and-trade system on emissions, have risen sharply.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/opinion/01krugman.html

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Laugh Laugh Laugh

The only reason junk science's reign has ended is that it's been supplanted by junk politics.

Krugman's an example of what happens when you give a lemming a PhD. He's also an economist -- which in my opinion makes him less credible than PhDs with actual degrees in weather science that have been criticizing global warming.

Isn't the real problem here that these scientists aren't allowed to come up with their own set of facts?

You keep avoiding some key points, here Civelin:

1) If global warming criticizers are so wrong, why are the Dems afraid to debate them?

2) Where would we be today if science had adopted your "everyone knows its true so stop denying it" mentality 500 years ago?

IMO, the second point is a particularly rich field of study. Just think of the names we never would've heard of if scientific convention had kept them buried in the center of the bell curve instead of staying at the fringes: Ptolemy, Archimedes, Galileo, Bell, Edison, Einstein, Columbus, Yeager...it just goes on and on.

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J tapia I'm very familiar with scientific theory, many theories are so established without yet being fact that they are accepted, electricity is a great example. Ever seen an electron?

Because I call it magic when the lights come on doesn't make it so, it doesn't even mean we shoud give my theory of magic as much credence as those who believe in electricity. So it goes with continental drift and global warming.

In talking about global warming, amongst other subjects, I often feel as if I'm arguing against believers in magic.

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Theories accepted as fact without proof...like electricity.

I don't care who you are...that's some funny stuff right there.

Do you have any idea how much scientific study has gone into documenting the existence and properties of electricity? Is there any scientific disagreement on the existence of electricity? That post may be the stupidest thing I ever read. Did that hurt when you pulled it out of your backside?

So does your post constitute admission that global warming is theory accepted as fact without proof?

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Do you have any idea how much scientific study has gone into documenting the existence and properties of global warming?

Yup.

Is there any scientific disagreement on the existence of global warming?

Nope.

So does your post constitute admission that electricity is theory accepted as fact without proof?

You got me there.

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Do you have any idea how much scientific study has gone into documenting the existence and properties of global warming?

Yes we do. Are we debating that the planet goes through warming and cooling cycles? No we are not. What we are debating is that no scientific study has so far successfully proved that it's man made or that buying "carbon credits" from Al Gore will stop it. We stated the idea is a ridiculous scam who's only purpose is to relieve SUV driving, guilt ridden soccer moms of money.

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You need more than your opinion to say there's no disagreement on global warming.

Here's an experiment for you:Google "electricy skeptics" and Google "global warming skeptics." Hardly the same ball park.

If everyone agrees that global warming is genuine, then why do we keep hearing about dissenters with PhDs? And if it's a universally accepted truth, then why are the Democrats afraid of debating it?

You still haven't answered that one, Pogo.

And could you kindly explain the fossil record that shows far larger swings in temperature before industrialization? How did the earth come out of the last ice age? Was it cro-magnon man's cookfires? If the only answer to global warming is humanity's influence, could you explain climate changes in the past? Are we to believe that after 4.6 billion years of the earth going through heating and cooling cycles on its own without human influence, it has suddenly stopped and only changes because we make it change?

You may be able to swallow political dogma without question, but there's a whole lot of people that won't.

And why are the Democrats afraid to debate the issue?

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