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So basically you're stacking the deck by only allowing sources you deem acceptable.

The emphasis on "peer reviewed" publications as a test of scientific validity is equivalent to your constant reliance on polls. The argument basically states that the test of scientific validity lies in popularity with peers who didn't come up with the concept themselves.

In other words, it's a form of intellectual protectionism by elitists who seek to protect themselves from upstarts who would unseat them. The greatest scientific advances have come from the edges of the bell curve, not the middle. The peer review process is the middle's way of keeping people away from the edges.

Galileo was branded a heretic by the prevailing scientific minds of his day for daring to argue the ridiculous idea that the earth orbited the sun. Powered flight was first achieved not by the scientific establishment, but by a pair of bicycle mechanics. "Peer reviewed" science of its day once believed the Earth was flat and that illness was caused by an imbalance of bodily humors that was best treated through bloodletting. Convention has never fostered innovation.

So how about we focus on validity of the arguments based on science instead of popularity?

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Pangolin, I don't have to prove anything to you. Expatriate explained why peer review doesn't always work. Climate science must be based on real scientific data, not some hokey computer model that Gore dreamed up.

You want some additional references, here are previous threads with links:
http://www.biggamehunt.net/node/25689
William Gray is a well known and respected hurricane forecaster, right here at CSU in Boulder. He has been very vocal in his opposition to Gore's theories.

This is an older thread, links to youtube videos no longer work:
http://www.biggamehunt.net/node/20613
The video that is discussed in the above thread was produced in the UK by scientists from around the globe that do not agree with the popular theories of global warming.

Basically scientists that oppose Al Gore's global warming theory have been shut up, or lost funding. Their positions are in jeopardy for not following Gore's doctrine.

And about my "moron" statement, that was mild compared to the trashtalk you've been spewing lately. Its hard to be respectful to someone that types up the trash you do. Look at your post right above my moron post! Tell me that was even related to this thread? Your recent posts have been very offensive. If you want to participate in a civil conversation here, I suggest you keep your posts clean and stop demeaning people. Quite frankly I don't know why you're even posting here. I suspect you're bored and simply like to antagonize.

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You guys should really cut pangocat some slack. You guys seem to be forgetting that Al Gore invented the internet, so who are you to say he also hasn't invented global warming, I mean climate change, I mean climate disruption or what ever its called tomorrow.

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What i really would like to know is how man's activities affected the ice age and caused the earth to warm and the ice to melt?

Isn't it possible that climate change is natural and not influenced by man if the earth warmed and the ice melted even before man was walking the planet?

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to limit pollution and take good care of our planet; it just means that we have to consider carefully any costly regulation that impacts business and their ability to compete globally as well as the financial impact to families who ultimately bear the cost of government regulation.

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Most scientific journals will publish anything remotely science based, they love controversy, but they hate dishonest arguements and quackery. I'd think if someone can't get any funding it might be because they aren't part of the science based community. Most scientists I know laugh at quackery, especially when trying to pass as science, they find it amusing.

Bill Gray was a well respected scientist, he used to fly into huticanes etc etc. Now we use computers and he doesn't like it, figures he isn't getting the respect he deserves and likes to shout a lot. Too bad. Should have retired.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR200605...

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And just what, exactly, is a "huticane?"

Once again, when presented with information that challenges your position you come up with some excuse to avoid the discussion through insult and degradation. That's a coward's way of avoiding a discussion he's unable to compete in. Life is so much less complicated when you can avoid thinking, isn't it?

And you're still avoiding another key point here -- if these critics are out to lunch, what is the danger in letting them speak? Why are the Democrats afraid of debate on this issue?

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William Gray STILL IS a well respected scientist. The guy is 80 years old and still passionate about his work. Of course he's going to be angry about the pseudo-science surrounding global warming. Here is someone that has worked and studied climate all his life, yet because he doesn't agree with Gore's baloney, he's labeled "angry." You had to post a link to one disparaging article, you couldn't post to the many good ones out there?

And I have to ask the same question. Why are Democrats afraid of debate? If they're so confident in their position on global warming, then it shouldn't be a problem. Gore doesn't want to debate, because he's unable to. He simply wants to ramble on & on about how he's correct and the discussion is over.

CVC, I agree 100% on taking care of our planet. We've had this discussion before and have always stated that though I don't believe people are affecting climate change, I do believe we need to do better at not polluting. However, other countries like China need to come on board as well. Putting severe limitations on the US's manufacturing is going to cripple us as a nation.

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Sorry, don't have enough time. Until we can agree on facts we can't even begin to discuss them. Your not entitled to your own set of facts. I do suggest you do some reading.

Gore, and any other reasonable science based human doesn't waste time on people who for any number of reasons decide to deny the obvious accepted science. The reality based community has decided to move on, you're free to join in bringing about solutions or to continue howling at the moon.

I'd suggest beginning your reading by starting with the scientific method.

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Well Gore has nothing to do with science. All he is interested in is his own agenda, $$$.

If he realy belived that he could make a difference he, Gore would not have one of the most wastfull homes in the US.

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pangolin wrote:
Your not entitled to your own set of facts.

Whoa...we definitely need to spend some time examining this one. Once upon a time, when you were faced with facts that shredded your agrument, you tried to avoid the issue by claiming that the facts came from an "illegitimate" source. How the same fact can be true if it's in the NYT but not if it's on Fox is beyond me -- but that's another thread.

But now you've taken it to a whole other level by announcing that those seeking to oppose you in debate are not allowed to do their own research or present facts of their own.

So that tells me that the only debate you're willing to entertain is when the opposition is limited to using only information that you agree with. That's not debate -- that's surrounding yourself with toadies that will rubber stamp your decisions and not ask questions. Gee...in my book that sounds a lot like what any 20th Century dictator might come up with.

And yet you claim that the left wing doesn't believe in silencing critics?

And you have the gall to lecture someone about scientific method? Scientific method involves being open to new data. If, as you propose, any reasonable, science-based people didn't waste time on people who chose to deny obvious accepted science, we'd still think the Earth was flat.

In that one post, you've summarized what's wrong with the global warming debate and epitomized why those who cherish liberty are deeply suspect of left-wingers.

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