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i'm new to hunting and am trying to decide on buying a new rifle. i've done lots of research and i think i've narrowed my choices down to either a bolt-action savage, remington 710, or weatherby vanguard.

all are available in both .270 and 30-06, although i'm strongly leaning towards a 30-06. and all are available in package deals where they come mounted and bore sighted with a 3-9x40 scope. prices are pretty reasonable to me, being in the $450 to $650 range.

i know there's lots of advice and experience on this forum. any recommendations between those choices and calibers? if i had to pick a frontrunner, i'd say i was probably looking most closely at the savage in 30-06.

of course i could probably be sweet talked into other options....

i see lots of "newbies" on this site getting good advice on what are probably very basic questions to a lot of you. just wanted to say thanks on behalf of all of us "newbies". very kind of a lot of you to pass on your thoughts and experiences to us beginners.

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guess it would be important to throw in there that i'm from northern/cental Ca and am very much looking forward to going pig-hunting. i'm also not opposed to deer, elk, bear, etc...

that may explain why i'm leaning more towards the 30-06

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I'm pretty new to the forum myself, but I'll throw out my thoughts. I don't think you can go wrong with either gun in either caliber. The 30-06 has been one of the most popular calibers ever for the last hundred years. (That's what the -06 means. The caliber was developed in 1906.) It has the widest range of bullet weights available in commercially loaded cartridges. If you load your own, the choices are nearly unlimited.

I also like the .270, and that is what I personally shoot most of the time. It is the same case as the 30-06 necked down to .277 caliber, and is an excellent cartridge for anything you would likely shoot in California.

So, the choice really comes down to what you like best. Try to find some friends who have the different guns in the two calibers, and see if you can go to the range, and fire them each several times. See what fits and feels better to you.

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I'm not a fan of the "package deals". Buy the rifle you prefer(both 270 & 30.06 are great calibres) don't forget the 280Rem if you can get a good deal. Then choose a scope. Buy the best you can afford. There is nothing more true with scopes than " you get what you pay for"

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I agree with Hammer. The scopes in the packages tend to be lower end scopes. As with the rifle choices, I am a remington fan but I personally don't like the 710 they made. It feels cheap, period. I think the savage or weatherby would be great choices as would a remington 700 ADL which you can get fairly cheap as well.

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I am new to the forums as well but have been doing a ton of research in order to buy my first gun as well so take my thoughts with a grain of salt as I am still learning myself.

Personally I went with the .270 due to the ballistics and recoil but the largest game I was looking at hunting was an elk. I don't think a .270 would be a good weapon for Bear based on my research, it just doesn't have the stopping power most people like to have when facing dangerous game like a bear.

That being said I would probably consider the 7mm WSM for your uses. It should be capable of handling a bear without any problems and it is ballistically superior to the .30-06 making it ideal if you are potentially having to shoot at long ranges.

If you plan to be shooting at 250ft or less then you probably wouldn't notice a difference between the 7mm and .30-06 calibers.

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The 270 and 150 grain bullet would be a good choice for Black Bear but Brown Bear would be quite different. The 30.06 with 180 grains would be the starting point in my opinion. I have never hunted the Brown but what I gather from those who do, you want one of the heavy hitters

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while I'm a huge .270 Win fan, it's what I use for most all my biggame hunting. I will say that the .30-06 is a better all around caliber and offers you more versatility for all N. American biggame, with the exception of the large Polar Bears.

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I agree with a lot of the info people are giving you. If you haven't fired eitther caliber, I would find some friends that have them and try them out. You need to pick a gun and caliber that feels right to you. Yes the Remington 710 feels cheap but it is not a "cheap" gun. It is still an inexpensive quality built rifle. As far as scopes in the package deals, they are of lower quality, but still a decent scope if that is all you can afford. Just because it is expensive, does not make it a better item. I bought a Remington 30-30 with a scope 23yrs ago. I still have the same scope and have yet to make any additional adjustments since I bought it. By the way it is a Tasco 3-9x40. Mr. Cool!

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I have 2 Savages, one in 30-06 and the other in 7mm-08. Being a southpaw limited my choices which is why I ended up with what I have. I picked up the 7mm-08 to use while I rebarreled my 30-06. I have since gotten to really like the caliber. The gun weighs less than the 06 and the recoil is noticeably less. I like the fact that at the shot, the recoil is low enough that I do not lose the sight picture. So far, no followup shots have been necessary, all one shot kills. The low recoil gives me more confidence in my shooting and has eliminated my tendency to flinch.

You can't go wrong with the 30-06 or 270, but, you may want to check out the 7mm-08.

By the way I hunt pigs.

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My brother just bought a 270 Model 710 - this was his first season hunting with it. I got to play with it last week while I was home. My impression is this:
It is true that the package deal does not have the same quality as a "made-to-order" rig, but for $410 it's a suprisingly solid deal. It was a breeze to sight in: It was tight and on the paper right out of the box, one quick adjustment had him in the red on every shot. True, the scope on a 710 is a lower end Bushnell, but at the same time Bushnell just doesn't make junk. We also found the bolt sticks a bit at first, but this quickly "worked in" after a good cleaning and some lubricant - to the point that when he took his deer this fall (a very pretty 140-ish 4x4). He was able to snap off a quick follow-up shot after he thought he had missed on his first. Both shots were solid hits, it's just that after using a 300 Mag for the last 4 years he wasn't used to the less impressive reaction deer give when hit with a 130gr 270 and thought he flat out missed. lol

I'm not familiar with the other configurations, but I definitely think the 710 is a one of the best rifles you can buy for that price. There are certainly better rigs out there, but you won't get them new for less than $500.

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