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The Death of the Short Mags?

http://www.chuckhawks.com/column18_death_short_magnums.htm

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The Death of the Short Mags?

Guns are one of the last durable goods still being made by manufacturers and bought by consumers. No too many shooters wear them out in their lifetime and in fact many pass these durable goods on to grown kids and grandkids. The manufacturers know this and need a reason to keep consumers buying their product so they can stay in business. Enter new trendy calibers, marketed to be better than anything past generations used. So people buy new rifles chambered in these new calibers only to discover that in many cases they offer only marginal performance if any over what I grew up shooting and what our fathers grew up shooting.

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Come on now.
A personal lawsuit isn't going to alter the efficiency or sales of such a fine round as the 300 wsm.
I wouldn't call 200+ fps faster than a 30-06 and 10% less powder to approach 300 wm velocity, marginal. Not to mention. The recoil is noticably more tolerable than the 30-06 when the case is filled with the slower burning powders.

I don't see the 300wsm or the 270wsm going by the wayside. I rather see the sales of the belted mags slowly declining to the wsm's, rum's, Dakota's, Lazeroni's and the other non belted rounds.
There was a time when a 58 cal round ball front loader was thought of as the round to have.
They may have hyped these new efficient rounds but, they had good reason.

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Will this demise of the belted mags happen at the same time that Outdoor Life, Field and Stream, and Sports Afield announce in a 12-page article with no less than 200,000 neatly printed words with single line spacing and 1.5-line margins, that with the use of top-secret, code-black, highly classified reloading components, the .308 Winchester will shoot faster and hit harder than a 30-06?

Declining to the RUM's? This coming from a guy who thinks of 10 percent more efficiency (for still moderately lower velocity/energy) is a technological miracle of epic proportions? Get some perspective!

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Hello Captain
There you go, again. Blowing a statement out of proportion.
I see that it's every bit as easy to get you riled as it ever was.

You haven't been doing your homework on the 308. The info and loads are out there. Keep looking. You'll catch up. There's no need to apologize when you do.
Why would any of the assorted gun or outdoor mag's want to attest to such a claim, when there primary objective is to help with the sales of the latest and greatest new product.
Steps to getting there are. Remove head. Clean out ears and eyes. Advance forward.

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Hello, Fuzzybear,

I am so sorry to pee in your lemonade, but I do not generally get ''riled'' over disagreements on the Internet.

I don't need to do my homework and waste my precious time researching nonsense so I can prove it to be nonsense, since I already know it is nonsense. The outdoor magazines wouldn't attest to such a claim, because they already know it is nonsense.

The steps to ''getting there'' wherever it was you were talking about, are no less flawed than your 308 vs. 30-06 claim. If I removed my head I would die. The undertaker would have to glue it back on, and he/she would have to clean out my eyes and ears (because I would be dead), and technically ''I'' wouldn't get (myself) anywhere!

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I agree with Fuzzy in that the 300 and 270 WSM calibers will be around for quite a while, but will not outsell the venerable 30-06 or 300 Win Mag in popularity.

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147 Grain wrote:
I agree with Fuzzy in that the 300 and 270 WSM calibers will be around for quite a while, but will not outsell the venerable 30-06 or 300 Win Mag in popularity.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest here, but there is a good reason the short magnums will die a slow death. It has nothing to do with whether they are good or not, but because the chambering of rifles for those rounds obligates the manufacture to pay royalties to the holder of the patent of the case design, Rick Jameson. This is the reason Winchester had to close their doors, because of the law suits. Now rather than ask for trouble, the factories will sell out their stock, and that will be that!

The reason these things came out in the first place is, as someone above said, they needed to sell some new rifles, and the only way to do that is to bring out a cartridge that the youngsters have not seen before, and get the raggs to comment on them. Just about every "NEW" cartridge that someone tought was the ANSWER, was made by some wildcatter 50 yrs ago, and they didn't go over well then. Almost every cartridge with Remington's name on it was invented by a wildcatter years before, under another name.

When it all boils down to the roux, the old stand bys are the ones that sell the rifles, and fad cartridges go away, that's simply the nature of the game! SORRY! eye roll

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