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I have never bothered myself with the thought of a dangerious game cartridge. I guess the question is still, what do you call dangerious game? There is no animal in North America I would back down from with either a 338-06 or 338 win mag and a good 250 gr bullet. Here's my thinking. If I were to hunt such an animal, a guide would be required. He has the stopping gun. what I want is a rifle I shoot well that will put a bullet capable of making the trip in the right spot with the first shot. That will be your best shot, make it!

i have never shot anything bigger than a 350 rem mag and that thing was brutal, mod 600 Rem. I would not care to bet my first shot on a rifle I didn't like shooting. I've never shot anything bigger and next down would be the 338 win mag. I cannot imagine any animal taking a well placed first shot with a good bullet and going very far. 250gr bullets were really bad for recoil but manageable. I think I'd try to old Speer 275 gr if I could find them and shoot a lot. You have to learn to handle the recoil. lacking that bullet, I'd fall back on the 250 gr Hornady SP or the 250 gr Nosler. Either bullet at around 2700 fps would be very formable.

You could go to bigger bullets and larger cartridges but your cartridge is only as good as you can shoot it.

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Dangerous game gun is anything at or above a .366 caliber in my mind, and it is also the legal minimum in many countries. Some countries even require a 375 min.

A true stopper for DG would be over 400 grains and .400 cal creating around 5,000 ft/lbs energy.

A 30-06 is not dangerous game gun, unless you consider coyotes as DG. This is even true for N.American continent. Would you want nothing but 30-06 in your hands if a brown bear was charging?

My DG guns include a CHapuis 9.3x74r SxS, a Heym 470 SxS, a Heym 450/400 SxS, a win M70 458 Lott, win M70 pre-64 9.3x64 Brenneke, remington custom shop .416 remy mag.

I am currently in the process of selling the Lott and the chapuis, so my safe is fuller now than it will be for much longer.

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Don, I have a survey of African Professional hunters in my archives that echoes your thoughts. The majority of them want you to carry enough gun to do the job (the job being a well placed shot with the proper bullet size and weight) and if things go sideways they have a bigger gun to sort it all out. I agree as well that a 338 with quality bullets is plenty of gun to handle anything in the states.

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nothing fancy up here

most people have the rifle they shoot with and then some type of short barrel 12 gauge pump with slugs. It's mostly inquisitive bears we need to deal with and that is done more with a clean camp and a husky or two than it is with some cannon of a gun.

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well, in the us i doubt we run into really dangerous game id stay with my 30 06 i can only imagine how much those rds cost lol. for u rich guys who go to africa more power to u but i was told .300 mag is the biggest in north america u need. unless they were lying to me lol

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Your 30-06 properly used with a proper bullet will work on anything in N. Amer. Keep in mind that a rifle you can shoot with a proper bullet trumps a rifle you can't with any bullet.

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Just another thought, but when everyone talks about dangerous game rifles they get wrapped around the axle about caliber and they miss other factors that I've been learning are just as important. I do not profess to be an expert, but this is what I've learned from friends who have been in the African safari business: First, the rifle has to point naturally and the sights have to be aligned the instant the rifle is on your shoulder. If you have to duck into the sights, it's not good. Second, the thing has to be dependable. Stuck shells, misfires, and broken components make for a real bad day. Where this comes into play is that sometimes a sporting rifle manufacturer simply converts their regular rifles to dangerous game calibers with sometimes disastrous results. As Americans we are also accuracy obssesed (myself included) but accuracy as we know it isn't considered a factor on dangerous game rifles. Just a few thoughts anyhow, and like I said I don't claim any expertise. I am only chicken enough to do my research before I go pursuing dangerous critters.

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maddenwh, Have the 375 H&H mod 70 Winchester It was my choice to go for cape buff. Have not gone yet and am looking at the 416 Rigby now. More bullet launchers in the safe Yes The 375 sure puts the elk down hard,but if there is a chace of getting stomped on by a mean ol buff think I would like something a bit bigger. Your thoughts..

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For dangerous game, I have used a 416 Rigby, I have sold it but kept my Sako 375 H&H. All the gun I will ever need. I don't have any plans on Elephants, rhino, hippo, lion any where in my future.

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