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Hello everyone, I was wondering what yall use for your dangerous game gun. My family sais a good dangerous game gun is a 30-06, but I want your opinions on the subject,thanks.

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Can you clear up dangerous game? The .30-06 has and will kill every big game animal in north america, but would i choose it to stop a large and angry grizzly or brown bear? Not as a first choice. I'd probably pick a .35 whelan or larger cartridge pushing a 220+ grain bullet. If its just black bears, coyotes and cougars a .30-06 is just fine, i don't know about pigs.

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I don't hunt dangerous game, except for black bear once, if you can call them that, and I used my .270 Win on that boar. Heck my buddy used a .308 Win on his. Both cartridges worked just fine. But I've hear from good authorities on dangerous game that a good .30-06 loaded with the proper 180 grain bullets or heavier is capable of taking any animal in the world. Yes, any animal in the world. Is it ideal for elephants or rhinos? If you are making head shots, then yes it is. If making broadside shots, then I'd go bigger with something like a .375 H&H, or .458 Win Mag. But, anything else on earth, including large brown bear and polar bear, is well within the capabilities of the .30-06. That is the word from a couple of Alaska bear guides I once knew. Seems to make sense, but I personally have never had a chance to test this. Teddy Roosevelt used the cartridge on several African hunting safaris and Alaska hunts, so it must be plenty capable. I've used .30-06 in the past and on occasion for biggame in my state. Really, in the lower 48 states, if you own a good .30-06, you just won't have much need for anything else.

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A dangerous game gun depends to a large degree on whether you are talking hunting danderous game or want a gun as a defensive tool against dangerous game, and what continent you are talking about. Go to gunblast.com and read the articles there on this subject.

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I use a 444 Marlin In Bear country. Hornady 265gr Interlocks work nice.

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Old Professor wrote:
A dangerous game gun depends to a large degree on whether you are talking hunting danderous game or want a gun as a defensive tool against dangerous game, and what continent you are talking about. Go to gunblast.com and read the articles there on this subject.

I agree with a lot of whats been stated. But to expand a little OP's. There is a big difference between hunting and killing a dangerous animal, and being hunted and stopping one. The .375 H&H, is likely minimum as far as stopping rounds go. In most case's .40 cal. and up is the norm. But I wouldn't feel under gunned with a stout .35 cal on big bear either.
The question does remind of a story though.
It was about a safari in Africa for Cape Buffalo. The client in chitchattin with the guide asked what he was using for backup. The guide lifted his 7mmMag and showed him a a round with a 175 gr RN solid. , I client looking surprised and somewhat leary,,,,the guide said, after 5 years with the .416 Rigby and getting bruised by it. All he cared about was penetration, and in in the last 10 years he has never failed to stop a charge with the 175 gr solid from the 7mag.
Well the moral of the story is, know your gun intimately, use the right bullet for the job, and put it where it needs to go with conifdence.

For me, I would still like to error on the side of a little larger caliber. But for the big bears and larger dangerous game, a 200 gr Nosler Partition, or Barnes TSX, would be my choice with some 220 gr solids for the 2nd round in the 06. You won't find a better penetrating bullet short of 40 cal. than the 220 gr. .30 cal.

I would be ok with using the 30-06 in all situations, mostly because with dangerous game,,,,in a hunting situation, chances are you'll have backup.
If you live in an area where dangerous animals live and are alone,,,carry all the gun you can shoot effectively.

Oh, and to the point of your ?,,,,,,I use a warmly loaded 9.3x74R with a 286 gr Nosler Partition,,,well for all intents and purposes, I had built for a trip to Alaska for Brown Bear one of these next years.

Dave

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well i think it would be my ruger in 458lott with solids it will stop pretty much anything, and can be loaded down to 458win mag performance for smaller game like deer if you are so inclined.

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Somehow I just can't see any good reason to use anything in the .458Win category on deer. Something the size of the average mules and whitetailed deer can easily be taken with a reasonable cartridge such as the various .24cal, .25cal, and 6mm or 7mm, .27cals, or .28cal cartridges. Heck just my opinion, but I've always thought the .30-06 to be a bit much for deer. But, whatever suites your fancy. Not trying to preach what cartridge is the best, but even a down loaded .458lotts on deer would be a completely unsound choice in my opinion.

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WesternHunter wrote:
Somehow I just can't see any good reason to use anything in the .458Win category on deer. Something the size of the average mules and whitetailed deer can easily be taken with a reasonable cartridge such as the various .24cal, .25cal, and 6mm or 7mm, .27cals, or .28cal cartridges. Heck just my opinion, but I've always thought the .30-06 to be a bit much for deer. But, whatever suites your fancy. Not trying to preach what cartridge is the best, but even a down loaded .458lotts on deer would be a completely unsound choice in my opinion.

I never said it was a sane choice just that he asked for a reccomendation for a dangerous game rifle and i think the 458LOTT would fit that nicley, as for using it on deer , i was just trying to show the many roles you could apply the weapon in question, as in if you are hunting dangerous game you could also include plains game and not have to bring a multitude of firearms.

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Good point. Sure beats having to bring more than one rifle I suppose. I personally have always found it harder to make one rifle work for everything.

I find it much easier to make one shotgun work for everything when birding, but that's a whole other topic. Big smile

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