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custom rifles and ruger m77 actions. you don't hear of them

The M77 rifle line has been a solid performer for a long time now, my uncle has a super old Ruger M77 in 270 that I think is from the late 60's its still a shooter, my father uses a stainless Ruger 300 Win Mag and he's been happy with its performance for a long time now not a bad looking rifle to boot.

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ELK-AHOLIC wrote:
I know still to this day that a lot of shooters and sportsman around the country boycott Ruger products because of the actions Bill Ruger took with the gun-grabbers in the 90's Back when the assault weapons ban was being proposed Bill Ruger said:
"No honest man needs more than a ten shot magazine" ,and I said: I will never buy another gun from Bill Ruger.
I'm a fan of the 2nd amendment I enjoy hunting and target shooting but I also enjoy my Assault rifles and Hi-cap handguns, I love all guns! For Bill Ruger to claim that "black rifles are for terrorist" is so counterproductive to the ENTIRE firearms industry it makes my blood boil, as Americans in my opinion it's not only our right to own assault rifles it's our duty to do so. The 2nd amendment says NOTHING about SPORTING PURPOSE.

Bill is dead and gone now, and the new Ruger company is trying very hard to break free from the old stigma it used to have, just look at the new Ruger 556 AR it comes with 3 30rd mags a first ever for the Ruger Corp. Ive heard that alot of anti Ruger people are now starting to see the light, I bought myself a Ruger 556 a month ago and I'm very pleased with my decision, I think the Ruger company is finally in good hands now with Michael Fifer as the CEO. The company is doing a very good job of trying to win back customers that walked away when Bill Ruger ran the show.

All in the past now and we must learn a hard lesson from it. However, we start boycotting the arms makers and suddenly we'll find ourselves with only a few choices in guns. Maybe none at all, if they go under due to financial hardship. What good will our 2nd Amendment do for us then? Bill Ruger can believe what he wants, but simple pressure from his gun owning customers and advocates of the 2nd Amendment can always clue people like him in, to see the error of his philosophy. That's easy and low cost. Tyring to reserect a dying company in the midst of an anti-gun world would be nearly impossible once we cause them to go under from boycott.

Look at Jim Zumbo. Look at what his comments got him. It didn't take long for Ted Nugent to make Jim see the error of his initial belief. I think Jim Zumbo sees AR-15s and AK-47s a lot different now. We need people like Zumbo and Ruger to be on our side, given their vast contributions to our rights and sports, they deserve a second chance.

I agree that we cannot tolerate wolves in sheeps clothing among us. But since Bill Ruger is no loner alive why not give credit where credit is due. Ruger makes a good gun. Being over zelous amongst our own can really screw us all in the long run.

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Quote: I agree that we cannot tolerate wolves in sheeps clothing among us. But since Bill Ruger is no loner alive why not give credit where credit is due. Ruger makes a good gun. Being over zelous amongst our own can really screw us all in the long run.

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WH,

Couldn't agree more. I boycotted Ruger for the same reasons for several years but it's time to let it go. I think a lot of gunsmiths really just have an instinctive distrust of investment casting which is why you dont see much in the way of custom 77s. Too bad really as it's a great classic mauser design. Investment casting has really proven itself over time as being quite legitimate. I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise.

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WH,

Couldn't agree more. I boycotted Ruger for the same reasons for several years but it's time to let it go. I think a lot of gunsmiths really just have an instinctive distrust of investment casting which is why you dont see much in the way of custom 77s. Too bad really as it's a great classic mauser design. Investment casting has really proven itself over time as being quite legitimate. I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise.

In order for a traditionalist to gain a trust for investment cast receivers and frames one just has to look at what FN has done with the Browning Mk III Hi-Power frames when switching from forged frames to cast frames. It turnes out that in repeated tests the newer investment cast HP frames stand up to longer wear and heavier recoil than the older forged frames ever did. They made the switch in 1993 in order for the frame to accomodate the newer chambering in 40 S&W. However it should be noted that contrary to popular belief, the older forged Hi-Power frames did just fine with the hotter military 9x19mm ammo. And, FN's test in the mid 1980's proved that the Hi-Power MkII system held up to thousands of repeated rounds fired with +P+ ammo, showed no abnormal wear, where other handguns failed. Can see Rugers cast receivers doing just fine.

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I agree. The theory behind the distrust of investment casting is that when the steel cools it forms small air pockets during cooling making the steel weaker and more vulnerable. If this is true Rugers should be blowing up all the time. I've never seen it and in fact have found them to be more resistant to torture and tougher than many of their counterparts. Despite not liking many of old Bills remarks and his apparent willingness to throw many of us under the bus so to speak, there's nothing wrong with investment casting if done right and apparently they are doing it right. This has given me an idea. Maybe I'll have a custim rifle done on an M77 action! I like the claw extractor.

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thank you for the info. I did not know the difference between the forging and casting.

I am not trying to knock remington in anyway shape or form. I just need to state what i have seen:
On a dall sheep hunt in alaska, we had pretty decent weather. One night of rain in a week. actually really good weather. My stainless ruger had no signs of rust anywhere. The guide just got a brand new remington xcr. nice gun, but after the hunt was over, he was srcubbing the rust off with a tooth brush.
I felt pretty good about that ruger stainless with sythetic stock.

I have thought about a custom rifle, but i just seam to beat the piss out of anything i own.

tim

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I won't claim to be an expert on steel making or anything, but I can explain a little bit about the differences. If someone here is more knowledgeable on the matter please feel free to jump in.

Steel initially starts out as molten liquid that's poured into a mold or ingot. Forged steel starts with an ingot of cast or molded steel and then heated til glowing and beaten into shape over a long process and heavy pressure, it is a long used method of shaping steel. Then in gun making that shape is further milled or machined (basically cut) into it's final shape and specs. It tends to result in a more dense and heavier steel. Modern casting is a method of molding molten or powdered steel into a mold or cast of it's final shape, very little machining or milling is done. As Bunny said, you will get more air pockets and very small bubbles in the steel, and to me it will feel a bit lighter.

Neither method is worth much if the steel isn't alloyed correctly and especially if it isn't heat treated properly. Heat treating is what counts the most. Proper heat treatment combined with the correct steel recipe is key to steel production. Modern technology in metallurgy have resulted in steel alloys that can be cast and are ultra hard, very strong, durable, and light weight compared to the old plain forged carbon steels of the past that were heavy, dense, and strong.

Now don't confuse modern investment cast steel with the old time "Cast-Steel" of the 19th century and early 20th century. That reference to cast has a whole different meaning. It was reserved for an ultra hard but brittle steel of the day. You'll often see that old stamp "Cast Steel" on very old steel rasps, cutting files, and saw blades form days gone by. I only know this because I have a weakness for seeking out old vintage tools that can still be saved and put back into use.

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Exactly!! Wh

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ruger m77 is the best gun ever made!!!!!!!!!

I have a ruger m77 7mm rem. mag. costomized it is bored out to an stw and i have a safari muzle break and a custome made thumb whole stock with the swarski 3x12x50 scope on it a also the only thing i never changed on the gun was the action on it because it has always worked perfict for me the trigger pull is about a pound and a half and the firing pin is still good and perfict. i am a competative shooter and a long range hunter and i have dumped elk, bear and deer at 750 to 800 yards and a i realy think the only reason why they dont customize ruger m77 that much is because there already realy good guns and dont need it even though i did do mine but thats just because i wanted the stw and didnt want to buy a new gun lol sorry about my grammer but hope that helps

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