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Curious Chicken Killers?

Odd story over on CNN about some teens killing chickens. What makes the story more interesting is the prosecution and judgement passed down on the teens....

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Something has definitely changed in this country since I was a kid. I remember a time when the kids would've been in trouble for stealing the chickens, not for killing them. Having grown up on a farm, it seems odd to me that cutting off a chicken's head is criminal cruelty to animals. After all, that's pretty much the standard way of butchering them. If the kids had eaten the chickens afterward, would they still be convicted of cruelty?

The discussion could go further than that. I recall pithing frogs in biology class so they could be dissected with the heart still beating so you could see how it works. So killing an animal in the classroom for the sake of learning is OK, but doing it at home or the sake of learning isn't? This is the same society that considers it humane to euthanize pets. It's OK to take your dog to the pound and have kill him because your new apartment doesn't allow pets -- yet you can't kill a chicken to learn something? What about animals killed for research? It's OK for scientists to kill animals in the name of research, but not for teenagers? At what age/education level can one legitimately butcher a chicken for the sake of knowledge?

The more you think about it, the worse it gets. Suppose one of those teens had a pet boa. It would be perfectly fine to buy a rat from a pet store and feed it alive to the boa -- and that's certainly a more horrible death than decapitation.

Looks to me like the judge was thinking more about the PETA membership in his wallet than he was about the law books in his office.

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chickens!

Thats the way we used to do it.
I never saw one other bird drop dead from stress either!

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As far as cruelty to chickens goes, I think God was cruel to send chickens to earth with brains smaller than their eyes.

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Yeah I just saw this as a stealing charge, the animal cruelty portion of the sentencing in essence says it is wrong to kill animals.

Just a question though, would it change anybodies opinion on this if the kids went to somebodies house and chopped the head off 2 pet dogs to see if they run around after decapitation? My knee jerk reaction is it would effect my opinion, but logically the situation is no different.

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Okay, I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, because I'm not sure that I completely buy the argument I'm about to offer, but...

Perhaps cutting the heads off of dogs to see if they would run around afterwards is different because we raise dogs as pets. We raise chickens, on the other hand, specifically so that we can kill and eat them. This is very different from our "relationship" with dogs. My guess is that in a society where dogs are raised as food animals, they wouldn't see any difference between the two.

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We don't butcher dogs, and I don't think that cultures that do butcher them via decapitation. So that would, in my opinion, be out there enough to be considered deviant and worth addressing as a separate issue.

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Odd story over on CNN about some teens killing chickens. What makes the story more interesting is the prosecution and judgement passed down on the teens....[/quote

The thing is, they stole a farmer's chickens, they should be sentenched for that, not for cutting off their heads.]

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Ok, let me see if I understand what your saying.

A dog has the right to live, but a chicken does not, because the intend purpose of the animal is different (pet versus food). In one case its theft in the other its cruelty to animals, but in both cases the animal (chicken or fido) are personal property.

Hypothetically, does it make it legally any different if these teens cut the heads off my two pet chickens (beavis and butthead)? I own the chickens purely for "bonding reasons" rather than for food. FYI, I don't own chickens, just testing the limits of this reasoning....

It seems to me that charges of animal cruelty, judgement is passed more on how people view the particular animal rather than a univeral seperation between human and non-human. This is the entry point for animal rights.

Say my friend has a pet bird that annoys me. I shoot it out of whim, quickly and humanely. Have I commited personal property damage, cruelty to animals, or both? A cruelty to animals charge, nearly always implies that the animal had some sort of right to live or at least not to have its life taken by a person.

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Wow things have certianally changed since i was here. How about a chicken killing a chicken? How about the dog killing a chicken? How about when I was in Nam you could go to the open air markets and choose your dog and have it butchered? Or maybe you had a preference for feline on the menu. Any of you folks ever watch TABOO on the national geographic channel. I saw the same NEW YORK ELITE thats against eating chickens eating cockroaches, fried trantula, grubs , worms and i dont remember what else. Also saw the chinease eating live octipuses. They said that they are hard to swallow because the teniticles try to suck on ur lips, tongue,and anything else they can grab on to. One guy died cause he choked, the octipi got a grip and wouldn't go down, the coroner removed it, still alive. My question is, is this cruel for the man eating the octipi or for the octipi killing the man? Can't wait to hear all about this. Bye Buck Oops!

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I've never heard of Pet chickens Bit, But we do have Pet roosters. They are very loving and generally a pleasant pet to have a round, and they are like all fluffy and stuff. You too should get a few It can be a rewarding experience. Don't tell anyone I said this but one time I took a tail feather from one of the roosters and tied a trout fly with it. I'd hate to get busted and go to prison for this , it would ruin my life and every thing. I did catch a few fish with that fly, and yes I used a barb less rubber hook so I would not hurt the fish. I did apologize to the fish before I carefully released them to swim free again. Some of our other pets like the chickens too they cuddle, with the chickens right around dinner time squeezing right up around them.

Jeff

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