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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/opinion/15rich.html

No they don't say anything about gunz.

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The nytimes is not a credible news source. Please post another link to a credible source with the same storyline.

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So the culture war is over because they declared victory? Sounds familiar:

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -- Mark Twain

"Hurrah, boys! We've caught them napping! Let's finish them up and return to our station!" -- George A. Custer

'We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back." -- Baghdad Bob, the Iraqi Information Minister

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"The party that once declared war on unmarried welfare moms, homosexual “recruiters” and Bill Clinton’s private life has been rebranded by Mark Foley, Larry Craig, David Vitter and the irrepressible Palins"

Father's day is pretty confusing up there eh?

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Not only was Obama’s stem-cell decree an anticlimactic blip in the news, but so was his earlier reversal of Bush restrictions on the use of federal money by organizations offering abortions overseas. When the administration tardily ends “don’t ask, don’t tell,” you can bet that this action, too, will be greeted by more yawns than howls.

This is an example of poor journalism. They talk of the Bush policy on stem cell research and then transition right into "don't tell, don't ask." I am sure that the average Bush hating reader will assume that the don't tell policy is a Bush policy, but of course, it was approved during the Clinton administration.

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I hope not. I hope they realize that it was a result of the culture wars. Clinton was going to open up the military to gay soldiers, he went at it as soon as he was elected, got a big pushback, went for don't ask dont tell instead.

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So you don't agree that linking the don't tell policy to the policy immediately preceding it which was attributed to Bush is misleading?

Would n'ta good journalist make the transition and attribute the policy to the Clinton adminstration?

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No.

I hope and assume you were following current events enought to remember what was happening during 1993 and not confuse it with 2001. Most informed people would realize the topic is cultural wars here. It's in the title.

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civetcat wrote:
"The party that once declared war on unmarried welfare moms, homosexual “recruiters” and Bill Clinton’s private life has been rebranded by Mark Foley, Larry Craig, David Vitter and the irrepressible Palins"

Father's day is pretty confusing up there eh?

And what happened with Foley and Craig? Cut loose by the Republicans. As a general rule, Republicans cut loose those who fail, and Democrats lionize theirs. We'll see what happens to Vitter. As for the Palins, you obviously don't understand why conservatives don't see them as a failure. A working mom finds out her fetus has Down's Syndrome and has it anyway. A teenage daughter gets pregnant and decides to have the baby anyway. That's normal life, and the Palins have dealt with their adversity like any conservative family would.

But the liberal reaction/exploitation? That's more offensive by far.

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No.

I hope and assume you were following current events enought to remember what was happening during 1993 and not confuse it with 2001. Most informed people would realize the topic is cultural wars here. It's in the title.

Lil' man, you are so blinded by your bias. So, if what you just stated was true then why did they mention it was Bush' policy?

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Boy it just galls me to admit this even slightly but I have to partially agree with Civet. I didn't take that part of the article as a shot at Bush. I took it as a shot at the Republican party that obstructed Clinton from allowing the openly gay to serve in the military. Point being that when and if the Policy changes that it won't be hindered by the religious right because the party can't afford to lose the battle, times being what they are. Just what I got from it anyway.

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