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If you really want to ask me

If you really want to ask me we need to go back to the long bow or revcurve for archery hunting.  Then as far as a muzzleloader hunt we can bring back flint locks.  I would go back to a matchlock but that would be too much of a hazard in dry woods. 

Now as far as a crossbow I have shot them and they didn't do anything for me.  The big difference is that when you have that 6x6 bull elk standing at 20 yards looking at you what can you hold up longer, a compound bow set at 70lbs with 50% let off or a crossbow with the bolt already held in place to where all you need to do is steady it untill the bull turns his head. 

I agree that we shouldn't be argueing between ourselfs but lets get the hunts back to where they were intended to be.  In my opinion if you want the shoot an inline during the muzzleloader hunt then shoot an inline with a patch and ball over loose powder and a percussion cap and no scope on it or using shotgun primers.  The same for archery hunts.  Lets do it to where the hunter has to hold the bow string back until he releases it.

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  As far as holding on an

  As far as holding on an animal, I once held a compound 20 minutes on one particular buck, still shot him. I was crossbow hunting once and was holding up the crossbow on a buck and after about 12 minutes my arm began cramping so bad I had to put it down. So, as far as holding on an animal I would say a crossbow is more difficult. If you really want to go back to original archery equipment. The first archery weapon ever used  was a crossbow. So, crossbows are the oldest archery weapon. Does that mean we slam all other forms of archery. No, we don't. Now this topic could go so far. Why do we have all the state of the art scopes, ammo, calls, scents, broadheads, arrows, clothing, cover scents, range finders, I could go on and on and on. Let's talk about cheap hunting. Let's get out that range finder. Oh. it's 175 yards off. BAM!!!!! Perfect shot!!!!! I'm so good, I nailed him right in the boiler room. Oh boy, that was hard. NOT!!! The thing about everything these days is called technology. We use it to our advantage. Whether it's rifle, shotgun, muzzle loader, or archery equipment, and yes that does include crossbows, like it or not. We all use today's technologies to help us get the game we are after. These battles will always come up. With each new invention there will be resistance. Even though the crossbow is not a new creation. Ok, I'm done ranting and raving on this topic. I hope you all have a great and wonderful season no matter what you use. 

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hunting primitive

   I've dealt internally with this issue myself.  On a personnal level, I prefer to hunt as primitive as possible.  I like to pretend that I'm in another time period, where you hunt or you don't eat.  So I resist the temptation to use modern technology.  However that's nearly impossible.  Sure there's the Tred Barta's in the world that know how to make their own bow, arrows, and arrow heads and be successfull using them.  Most of us "civilized" folks don't have the time or the know-how to do so.  Besides, when humans were hunting because it was do or die, they had all day every day to hunt.  It was their occupation.  Not a hobby or a pastime.  Think of the ratio of humans to animals back then. Humans lived in small settlements, while all the other animals roamed the Earth.  No hunting seasons.  No resrtictions.  Just hunt, when you need food, clothes and tools!  Now, we live in major metropolis', we've over taken much of the animal habitat and; have far outnumbered most of the large game animals. With today's population, and the fact that most people don't own their own hunting grounds, and you get a buch of "primitives" fighting over everything from where, when, and how to hunt.  So it's not man vs. deer.  It's man vs. man, land, time, technology, and who knows what else. 

   As far as cross bows are concerned, it's the change.  Most people don't like change, especially if it affects one negatively.  For public land users, the woods are less crowded during archery season. Less competition! Not anymore.  Where I live a typical weekday during bow season you may find one hunter per square mile.  On the weekends maybe five.  Come opening day of the rifle season, at least 25 hunters per square mile.(I did a car count last year and counted 25 cars, some had multiple hunters per vehicle).  Because archery hunters have a longer season than gun hunters, and many other reasons, archery hunters tend to be more skilled and patient than gun hunters.  Thats where safty in the woods can be a real concern.  There's a lot of idiots that never think about hunting untill the last minute.  They get excited, buy a tag and some shells, and go shoot the first thing that moves in the woods.  One other point to mention, I have yet to hear, personally, of a successfull crossbow hunt in Michigan last year.  I have however heard of six different hunters, some with great hunting skills, never recover the Buck that they injured, with their tiny little darts!  What a waste!  

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Take a look at my galleries,

Take a look at my galleries, my stories, my son 's stories these are all crossbow deer. It's not the length of the arrow, it's the broadhead that does the damage. We tip our arrows with the same broadheads anyone else does. Good luck in your season.

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  As far as holding on an animal, I once held a compound 20 minutes on one particular buck, still shot him. I was crossbow hunting once and was holding up the crossbow on a buck and after about 12 minutes my arm began cramping so bad I had to put it down. So, as far as holding on an animal I would say a crossbow is more difficult. If you really want to go back to original archery equipment. The first archery weapon ever used  was a crossbow. So, crossbows are the oldest archery weapon. Does that mean we slam all other forms of archery. No, we don't. Now this topic could go so far. Why do we have all the state of the art scopes, ammo, calls, scents, broadheads, arrows, clothing, cover scents, range finders, I could go on and on and on. Let's talk about cheap hunting. Let's get out that range finder. Oh. it's 175 yards off. BAM!!!!! Perfect shot!!!!! I'm so good, I nailed him right in the boiler room. Oh boy, that was hard. NOT!!! The thing about everything these days is called technology. We use it to our advantage. Whether it's rifle, shotgun, muzzle loader, or archery equipment, and yes that does include crossbows, like it or not. We all use today's technologies to help us get the game we are after. These battles will always come up. With each new invention there will be resistance. Even though the crossbow is not a new creation. Ok, I'm done ranting and raving on this topic. I hope you all have a great and wonderful season no matter what you use. 

First of all, no one is "dissing" you. We are just stating that crossbows are maybe a little too effective to be used in a "primitive weapons" season. I didn't even know that term was in vogue any more. I guess I don't see how you can even begin to argue that crossbow hunters are at a disadvantage compared to bowhunters. Why in the world was the longbow kicked out of the way as the medium distance weapon in the middle ages when the crossbow was perfected? Because the crossbow is a more efficient weapon... that's why. It doesn't have a place in a archery season.

I agree with others that think that some state's muzzleloading seasons are out of whack. You shouldn't be able to use a scoped muzzy. That is rediculous. Colorado has fairly good muzzy laws in my oppinion (loose powder, no sabots, no scopes etc).

I agree that exceptions for those with real injuries should be made. I believe that Colorado already does this.

Oh and holding a bow for 20 minutes and still getting the deer is quite the feat.Confused

 

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Only allowed here for permanent disability.  That's how it should stay.

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To everyone that dissed my

For those that dissed my dad (manofhtefall) for using a crossbow instead of a compound or recurve, he is now disabled so he can't pull back a 65 pound draw compound anymore. He has a hard time even pulling our one compound bow back one time and that's mine and its set at 62 pound draw, so that is why he now hunts with a crossbow. It is still a bow and theres no need for a separate season cause there's many people that can't hunt with a compound anymore. Don't be hating on the crossbow hunters cause maybe one day God forbid you'll hurt your arm or back or shoulder and wont be able to use a compound and have to switch to a crossbow cause you'll still wanna hunt with a bow. I hope nothing like that happens but if it does and if you still wanna bow hunt; you'll have to get a crossbow. I'm done talking about this, and it's a stupid thing to argue about. Hope you all have a great and safe hunting season and season's to come.

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Once again... no one is

Once again... no one is trying to disrespect anyone. And it sounds like we agree that disabled hunters should be able to use them. Take care and good luck this fall.

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I hunt deer on a private farm in Grand lake OK. just got crossbow   aug of 09 still waitin to get one with it.

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You're telling me that out of

You're telling me that out of all those deer in your profile picture... not one was taken with a crossbow? haha I'm just kidding. Well good luck to you then. Hopefully you will get your first one soon.

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