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Crazy Hunting Regulations

There seem to be some really crazy ones out there. One of my favorites is in Alaska you are not allowed to use explosive tipped arrows! The best part is that someone must have done it before they put it in writing that you couldn't do it. Anyone know of some other crazy ones?

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Dumb Regs

Here's the dumbest regulation that I can think of that seems to be gospel and 99% of the hunters out there never even think about.  Why only 2 shells in the magazine for waterfowl?  This is a federal regulation that is supported by state regulations in every state in the union but in todays regulated hunting has absolutely no biological or management purpose.  It was initially started as one of many methods to control overharvest of waterfowl in relation to market hunting and lax or nonexistent sport hunting regulations and extremely liberal bag limits.  Todays bag limits make it a useless law.

Consider that there is no max capacity rule for any other upland bird.  Most hunters chasing pheasant, chuckar, forest grouse or quail with pumps or semi autos take the plugs out & look at you as being goofy if you don't do the same.  Then with the same gun scramble around looking for the plug when switching to duck hunting when the opportunity comes up (of course using non-toxic loads) or the closest willow tree to carve out a make shift plug. I've seen turkey hunters both in the field & on TV shows stuff 4 in the mag before going out for a turkey (HUH??).

About the only thing it does for me is save me money.  Now I only miss 2 or 3 times per bird or flock.  Without the plug in the mag I'd have to carry an extra box on shells to make up for the 3 or 4 misses. 

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Why only 2 shells ?

Hal Fast wrote:

Here's the dumbest regulation that I can think of that seems to be gospel and 99% of the hunters out there never even think about.  Why only 2 shells in the magazine for waterfowl?  This is a federal regulation that is supported by state regulations in every state in the union but in todays regulated hunting has absolutely no biological or management purpose.  It was initially started as one of many methods to control overharvest of waterfowl in relation to market hunting and lax or nonexistent sport hunting regulations and extremely liberal bag limits.  Todays bag limits make it a useless law.

Consider that there is no max capacity rule for any other upland bird.  Most hunters chasing pheasant, chuckar, forest grouse or quail with pumps or semi autos take the plugs out & look at you as being goofy if you don't do the same.  Then with the same gun scramble around looking for the plug when switching to duck hunting when the opportunity comes up (of course using non-toxic loads) or the closest willow tree to carve out a make shift plug. I've seen turkey hunters both in the field & on TV shows stuff 4 in the mag before going out for a turkey (HUH??).

About the only thing it does for me is save me money.  Now I only miss 2 or 3 times per bird or flock.  Without the plug in the mag I'd have to carry an extra box on shells to make up for the 3 or 4 misses. 

It goes back to the days when the rich folks hunted with high end double barrels and the average hunter used a cheaper pump. The rich didn't like the pumps advantage so they lobbied to make things equal. At least that the way I hear it.Yes

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You just need to open up the

You just need to open up the rule book for each state to find the real crazy ones.  Like here in Colorado you need a plug in your shotgun no matter what you are hunting.  Upland game or water fowl it doesn't matter.  The biggest one that gets me is that you need to unload your rifle or shotgun and place it in a case if you are on a 4 wheeler that and if you are bow hunting your compound needs to be in a case and if you have a recurve or longbow it needs to be unstrung.  Now if you are in a truck you can ride around with all the rounds in the rifle except for the chamber.  You wouldn't believe the number of hunters that I see each year doing this with the action open and the barrell out of the window for a quick shot at what ever crosses their path.  But per the rules they are leagle.   

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I don't understand the shot

I don't understand the shot shell limit.  Daily limits and season limits will dictate how many birds you take so who cares how many shells you have in the magazine?  Could it be a safety issue, but I can't think of how?  Lots of laws have no real reason behind them, someone just thought they were a good idea at the time and then no one ever questions or challenges them.

Some laws on their face don't seem to make sense when in reality they do.  Like my first reaction to Alaska's law about waiting 24 hours before hunting after flying didn't make sense to me at first and then after thinking about it I realized it probably was intended to stop scouting from a plane, landing and shooting an animal.

 

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I think

I think that whole 3 shell limit in a shotgun was perpetuated with the false idea that it would curb or prevent sky busting.  I also think it has something to do with a false but preceived safety measure being forced on us in the field.  Whatever the reason I think it serves no practical purpose at all except as something for the Feds to wave it in our face every season just to remind us every year who controls who. 

I know that some of those hunters on the hunting TV shows don't follow that rule.  I've seen many shows where the hunters were shooting 5 or 6 shells per gun. 

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 Critter wrote: "Now if you

 Critter wrote: "Now if you are in a truck you can ride around with all the rounds in the rifle except for the chamber.  You wouldn't believe the number of hunters that I see each year doing this with the action open and the barrell out of the window for a quick shot at what ever crosses their path.  But per the rules they are leagle."

Well although you can ride around with your rifle loaded (except for the chamber), you still can not shoot out of a truck. So these guys are in no way legal. They have to be 50 feet from the center line of the road. I would watch out for those guys. That's kind of scary. I once got shot at from some guys shooting at a deer out of their truck. The road we were on had lots of switchbacks and the deer was in some shrub between two of the switchbacks. These idiots were above us, shooting at the deer between us! It was rediculous.

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Hawkeye: while I agree that

Hawkeye: while I agree that it is illeagle to shoot from the truck what I am getting at is that there are two sets of rules for carring a rifle on a vehicle.  Even if you could carry a rifle on a atv outside of a case it would still be illeagle to shoot it from a road much like if you were packing in in a truck.  It is just interesting in that the DOW is singleing out the atv rider and making special rules just for them.  It is a lot like some areas in the National Forest where you can't ride a atv on the road that is accessable to all vehicles except for the atv at certain times of the day.  Some of these rules just don't make a lick of sence. 

As for the shotgun rule for only 3 shells I do believe that that was enacted when they banned market hunting for ducks and geese but the federal law on it only covers migratory birds and also includes morring doves.  That is except for here in Colorado where they have the 3 shell rule for upland and small game also. 

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what I don't understand is

what I don't understand is how limiting the shells in the gun controls the number of fowl taken?  Doesn't the bag limit do that?

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it does

CVC wrote:

what I don't understand is how limiting the shells in the gun controls the number of fowl taken?  Doesn't the bag limit do that?

 

To many hunters the Bag limit = birds taken minus the birds that were lost or never retreived.  I'm not sure that the hunting regs specify or define it as how many birds you actualy shot or downed.  According to the regs for small game and fish, a bag limit is what you have harvested in your posession in the field per day.  This 3 shell rule is just another prime example of legislation made without regard to common sense.  It's just more proof that the government makes rules without really knowing what the reason is for them, except to control it's people.  There are so many useless and redundant laws on the books in Colorado (and I'm sure around the country) that it makes me sick to think just how much damage we do to this country with the money involved in passing such legislation.  The government has no idea what is best for the people.  Just read up on legislation and regulations for other trades and industries such as in the food or liquor industry.  Some of those laws have no safety purpose what so ever except to benefit the Feds with legal extortion (tax dollars).  In fact many Federal laws have nothing to do with public safety at all, it's either about control or taxing, or both.

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In WI, you cannot lean a

In WI, you cannot lean a loaded your gun up against your vehicle.

in South Dakota, we had a rash of goofy hunters that went out and stuck lots of deer full of arrows. Out there, you can see the deer humping around with arrows sticking out of them and it is pretty gruesome(in the east they stay in the bushes so you have to be real close to see all the cripples). Therefore they decided to send them all to class before crippling the deer regardless of their age. If you can prove you have bow hunting experience, you don't have to take the class.

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