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Don't know if any of this is true, but it is interesting reading anyway.

When in England, at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell
was
askedby the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just
an example of empirebuilding' by George Bush.He answered by saying,
'Over the years, the United States has sentmany of its fine young men
and
women into great peril to fight forfreedom beyond our borders. The
only amount of land we have ever askedfor in return is enough to bury
those that did not return.'You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~There was a conference in France
where a number of
internationalengineers were taking part, including French and
American. During abreak one of the French engineers came back into the
room
saying 'Haveyou heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent
an
aircraftcarrier toIndonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he
intend todo, bomb them?'A Boeing engineer stood up and replied
quietly:
'Our carriers have threehospitals on board that can treat several
hundred people; they arenuclear powered and can supply emergency
electrical
power to shorefacilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity
to feed 3,000people three meals a day, they can produce several
thousand gallons offresh water from sea water each day, and they carry
half a
dozenhelicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and
fromtheir flight deck.We have eleven such ships; how many does France
have?'You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending
a naval conference that
includedAdmirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and
FrenchNavies.
At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a largegroup
of
Officers that included personnel from most of those countries.Everyone
was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French
admiral suddenly complained that, 'whereas Europeans learn
manylanguages, Americans learn only English.' He then asked, 'Why is
itthat we
always have to speak English in these conferences rather thanspeaking
French?'With out hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe it's
becausethe Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arranged it so you
wouldn't have to speak German.'You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH
THE ABOVE...
Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by
plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his
passport in
his carry on. 'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the
customs officer asked sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted that he had
been
to France previously 'Then you should know enough to have your
passport ready.' The American said, 'The last time I was here, I
didn't
have to show it.' 'Impossible. Americans always have to show your
passports on arrivalin France !' The American senior gave the
Frenchman a
long hard look. Then hequietly explained. 'Well, when I came ashore
at
Omaha Beach on D-Day in '44 to help liberate this country, I couldn'
t
find a single Frenchmento show a passport to.' You could have heard a
pin drop. If you are proud, pass this on!

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Wow, that propoganda piece is old. I first saw it circulated during the 04 election. It was proven to be a total fabrication, I think you can verify that on Snopes.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/powell.asp

You might want to review this snopes.com page.

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Could have heard a pin drop....

Anything that sticks a pin in the liberal balloon is considered "propaganda" in SoCo's mind. But what suprises me here is that it's not a liberal issue -- it's patriotism and pride in our country.

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The thing is I didn't view this as pro-conservative or pro-liberal, but only as pro-America.

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CVC wrote:
The thing is I didn't view this as pro-conservative or pro-liberal, but only as pro-America.

That was used widely in email circulations during the 04 election hand in hand with the Democrats are appeasers and weak and repubs are strong and will protect you line. Even though you didn't mean it in a partisan way my frame of reference to it is as such.

I am not against pride in our Country at all, but again that piece was used in a jingoistic and propaganda like manner.

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Whelland wrote:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/powell.asp

You might want to review this snopes.com page.

Hey, checked it out, thanks for the link. In my view as the snopes article states somewhat true but greatly simplified and taken out of context. Why? Again when I saw this in circulation back in 04 was at the height of the freedom fries, the French are wussies, Democrats are weak, in my view right wing propaganda.

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Actually, Democrats are appeasers and weak. They're historically great at getting into conflicts, but not that good at fighting them.

Of course, that's just my opinion based on study of military conflicts in history, and some parallels between Neville Chamberlain's views on Hitler and the way a lot of Democratic leaders view the world (yes, I know Chamberlain was a Brit). Then there's Carter's Iranian paralysis as opposed to Reagan's engagement that produced the end of the Cold War. I'll admit that the Dems did a pretty good job with WWII (even if they did send over 100,000 Americans to internment camps), but that was quite awhile ago.

And oh, yeah -- the French have a pretty strong record of weakness in the face of aggression over the past few decades. I don't know if I'd use he word "wuss", though, because it actually takes some guts for the French to embrace people who threaten the nations that bled rivers to give them their country back in two world wars. The genius is that by doing so, they don't have to fight or run -- they can take their 30 pieces of silver and sit home in comfort as the bad guys go elsewhere.

But again, that's just my opinion. They do have good fries and bread. But they also gave us mimes and LeCar, so I think it's a mixed bag.

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expatriate wrote:
Actually, Democrats are appeasers and weak. They're historically great at getting into conflicts, but not that good at fighting them.

Of course, that's just my opinion based on study of military conflicts in history, and some parallels between Neville Chamberlain's views on Hitler and the way a lot of Democratic leaders view the world (yes, I know Chamberlain was a Brit). Then there's Carter's Iranian paralysis as opposed to Reagan's engagement that produced the end of the Cold War. I'll admit that the Dems did a pretty good job with WWII (even if they did send over 100,000 Americans to internment camps), but that was quite awhile ago.

And oh, yeah -- the French have a pretty strong record of weakness in the face of aggression over the past few decades. I don't know if I'd use he word "wuss", though, because it actually takes some guts for the French to embrace people who threaten the nations that bled rivers to give them their country back in two world wars. The genius is that by doing so, they don't have to fight or run -- they can take their 30 pieces of silver and sit home in comfort as the bad guys go elsewhere.

But again, that's just my opinion. They do have good fries and bread. But they also gave us mimes and LeCar, so I think it's a mixed bag.

Hey, the original post was a .......................... cut and paste! sad But, I guess that's all good with you expat since it um, agrees with your viewpoint.

You really get high on your nationalistic ideology don't you. I can almost see you there getting a rush as you expound on the greatness of the US and repubs and the inferiority of anything else.

Take er easy expat, you are a funny guy!

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You're darned right I'm nationalistic. This is the greatest country on earth, with the most freedom and greatest opportunity. Go anywhere in the world (including Iran), and you'll see American pop icons and logos. Even our enemies love our culture and our stuff. We have the world's largest economy and most powerful military. People from all over the world come here to study in our universities.

Other nations complain about our military efforts, but whenever injustice is happening somewhere, who do they beg to go do something about it?

Who's always there when disaster strikes somewhere in the world? Who gives more to charitable causes around the globe than any other nation?

What other nation spends billions on its former enemies to rebuild them and set them on the path to prosperity (and shoulders the burden of their defense for decades in the process)?

We're America. Other nations may gripe, but if our economy stumbles they start to shudder. We get criticized because we're the father figure for a world full of teenagers. But as much as they grumble, they want us there and wouldn't have it any other way.

Yes, I'm nationalistic. I believe in American exceptionalism and what's right in our nation. I know it's not perfect, but it's a far sight better than anything else out there -- and anyone in this country has the power to rise up and fix the things that are wrong.

I'm an American, and therefore am perfectly justified to be proud of my country and think that we're better than the rest. If you have a problem with it, I could care less.

To the Canadians on this forum...love your country, but I'm rooting for the home team. I'm sure you feel the same.

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Having pride is one thing, being overly prone to hubris is another.

Quiet confidence, humility, and rationality, are qualities I admire in my fellow man or in a leader.

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