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No Jtap, you don't. I also knew he couldn't resist posting yet another link. He really is completely incapable of original thought! Laugh

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I always get a kick out of Civet lecturing to people about staying on topic -- and what's the one complaint voiced more than any other about Civet? Discuss the topic!

I really don't doubt that you spent time in Cambodia when Pol Pot was running things, Civet. The guy killed every intellectual he could get his hands on and tried to take the country back to the "Year Zero." The fact that you, as a westerner, apparently got along with them says a lot -- especially when coupled with your affection for the Pathet Lao.

Also, if I understand your post correctly, you think that anyone that remembers history and where tyranny comes from needs professional help. Stalin thought so, too -- and sent a lot of dissenters off to mental hospitals or gulags. Come to think of it, isn't that what Pol Pot's killing fields were all about -- reeducating people?

Those Communist friends of yours just don't have much of a track record on human rights, do they?

Remembering history and paying attention to its lesson doesn't necessitate professional help. However, I'd argue that burying one's head in the sand and ignoring them might.

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civetcat wrote:
CVC correcting spelling on a web forum is generaly thought of as being idiotic, says more about the corrector than the misspeller. Carry on.

Typos are one thing, but writing "torcher" instead of "torture" isn't a simple typo. It demonstrates a lack of knowledge, education and discipline.

I may have let it go, but when it is in the context of calling other people uneducated, it must be noted.

Your constant misspellings, your poor sentence structure and other misuses of the Engiish language suggest one of two things: either English is not your first language or you are not very well educated.

Doesn't really matter except when you are calling others stupid.

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Ok stupid.

Expat if you knew anything about Cambodia you'd know the KR held part of the country for some 10 years after the Viets invaded.

Back on topic, again.

If you all want to be reasured look at Rasmusen today, no link, bad source. He can be depended upon to make Rethugs look goog, except just before elections when his #s magicaly change to match everyone elses.

Bought any gunz lately, getting clingy yet?

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CVC, don't forget all that economic analysis from a guy who can't spell "stimulus." He's consistently misspelled that one.

Everybody makes occasional typos. But when the same "typo" shows up again and again, there's one of two things going on: either the person is illiterate, or they're too intellectually lazy to make an effort.

Maybe in this case it's both. Given his Alinsky playbook and tactics employed, I believe there's at least a significant issue with intellectual laziness. However you cut it, it provides yet more insight into the kind of person we're dealing with.

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You know times are tough when Republicans have more confidence in a Democratic president than they do in bankers or Wall Street investors, but that's what the poll is showing now," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Among Republicans, 37 percent say they are confident in Obama's ability to make the right economic decisions, but only 31 percent of Republicans feel that way about Wall Street."

"Labor union leaders don't fare badly either," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst. "Nearly half the public has confidence in them. But Wall Street investors? Bankers and financial executives? Auto company executives? No more than 30 percent have confidence in them.

"Right now, Americans trust political leaders more than business leaders. That's new and it has consequences."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/23/poll.economy/index.html?eref=rss_...

Interestign and pertinent about the spelling, keep whistling

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expatriate wrote:
I always get a kick out of Civet lecturing to people about staying on topic -- and what's the one complaint voiced more than any other about Civet? Discuss the topic!

I really don't doubt that you spent time in Cambodia when Pol Pot was running things, Civet. The guy killed every intellectual he could get his hands on and tried to take the country back to the "Year Zero." The fact that you, as a westerner, apparently got along with them says a lot -- especially when coupled with your affection for the Pathet Lao.

Also, if I understand your post correctly, you think that anyone that remembers history and where tyranny comes from needs professional help. Stalin thought so, too -- and sent a lot of dissenters off to mental hospitals or gulags. Come to think of it, isn't that what Pol Pot's killing fields were all about -- reeducating people?

Those Communist friends of yours just don't have much of a track record on human rights, do they?

Remembering history and paying attention to its lesson doesn't necessitate professional help. However, I'd argue that burying one's head in the sand and ignoring them might.

You and my friend bunny need to get off the comparisons of Democrats with communist dictators.

Remember these guys:

"The greatest crime ever perpetrated in the name of America is the US government's long-established practice of installing and supporting so many murderous dictatorships, primarily after the end of colonialism and during the Cold War with the all-justifying excuse of anti-communism.
How many murderous dictatorships has the US installed or supported?

Let's count.

Country Dictator Dates Statistics
Chile Gen. Augusto Pinochet 1973-1990 3000 murdered. 400,000 tortured.
Argentina Gen. Jorge Rafael Videla 1976-1981 30,000 murdered. more
Indonesia Suharto 1965 coup against left-leaning Sukarno,
1975 support of East Timor genocide
500,000 dead after 1965 coup; 100,000-230,000 dead in East Timor; more, more, more.
Guatemala Armas, Fuentes, Montt 1954-
Iran The Shah of Iran
Ayatollah Khomeini was on the CIA payroll in the 1970s in Paris
Egypt Sadat, Mubarak 1978-today
Iraq Saddam Hussein
Nicaragua Anastasio Somoza & sons 1937-1979
Paraguay Stroessner. US supported throughout (state.gov says US has supported Paraguayan development since 1942) ($142M between 1962 and 1975) 1954-1989
Bolivia Col. Hugo Banzer overthrew elected leftist president Juan Jose Torres 1970-
Angola Jonas Savimbi/UNITA (didn't actually win his revolution, but killed or displaced millions) 1975-1989
Zaire Mobutu
Saudi Arabia Saud family
Kuwait a monarchy
Morocco
Tunisia
Algeria
Jordan
Panama Noriega was US-supported for years
Haiti Papa Doc, Baby Doc
Dominican Republic Trujillo, a military dictator for 32 years with US support for most of that time; Belaguer, Trujillo's protege, installed after US Marines intervened to put down an attempt to restore the democratically elected government of Juan Bosch 1930-61, 1965-78
Honduras
El Salvador 1980s
Nepal monarchy since 1948
Cuba Fulgencio Batista pre-Castro
Brazil Gen. Branco overthrew elected president Goulart with US support 1965-67
Uzbekistan Kamirov "The Boiler", $150M from the Bush administration for an air base. 1965-67
There are some gaps of information there. If you know any details that could help fill the gaps, let me know, it would be much appreciated.

So I count 25. Rough numbers, let's not be picky.

I barely have 25 people in my pingpong club, we're talking 25 countries.
Now that's a bleeping crime.

So who's responsible? I am an American: I am responsible.

So what am I going to do about it? I'm going to be an American, and express myself, with attitude, about what I do and don't like in this world, and tell everyone what I think has got to be done. So keep on reading.

And you? Be an American too: make up your own mind, persuade yourself, and try to persuade the rest of them. Talk leads to action, so talk!"

Does this mean I hate my country? Hell no! What it does mean is that I am not so naive to view my country like a three year old views their parent as omnipotent and perfect.

We've, the US, has supported a lot of evil son of @!#@$ in our time hell, we supported Saddam for years giving him his dreaded 'weapons of mass destruction' when he was our bud and fighting Iranian's. So, again, cool it with the sanctimonious crap already it's getting thick. Also, since conservatives have been cozy with and 'paling' around with some of the nastiest dictators around.

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You're padding the numbers significantly. A country isn't despotic just because it's a monarchy. And frankly, it's ridiculous to say that we caused the Iranian revolution and are behind their policies. And oh, by the way -- some countries, like Algeria, were run by the French. Let's strip away and talk direct effects, shall we?

My point is that I disagree with continual attempts to portray Republicans as thuggish despots that want to trample on the rights of others. History just doesn't support that analogy, and I stand by my statements. I said every significant totalitarian government came from the left. I didn't say there were no right wing dictators. But let's compare numbers:

Stalin: Forced famine in the Ukraine, 1932-33 -- 7,000,000 dead. 1937-38: 700,000 executed. Early 1940s: 3.6 million in labor camps and prisons. Total between 1927 and 1938: 10 million dead.

Pol Pot: 1.5 - 3 million dead in the killing fields between 1975-79.

That's just two, and either one of them killed far more people than the rest of your list combined. If you like, we can talk about Mao, Hitler, etc, too. But I think I've my point: left wing ideology has killed far more people in human history than right wing ideology.

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expatriate wrote:
You're padding the numbers significantly. A country isn't despotic just because it's a monarchy. And frankly, it's ridiculous to say that we caused the Iranian revolution and are behind their policies. And oh, by the way -- some countries, like Algeria, were run by the French. Let's strip away and talk direct effects, shall we?

My point is that I disagree with continual attempts to portray Republicans as thuggish despots that want to trample on the rights of others. History just doesn't support that analogy, and I stand by my statements. I said every significant totalitarian government came from the left. I didn't say there were no right wing dictators. But let's compare numbers:

Stalin: Forced famine in the Ukraine, 1932-33 -- 7,000,000 dead. 1937-38: 700,000 executed. Early 1940s: 3.6 million in labor camps and prisons. Total between 1927 and 1938: 10 million dead.

Pol Pot: 1.5 - 3 million dead in the killing fields between 1975-79.

That's just two, and either one of them killed far more people than the rest of your list combined. If you like, we can talk about Mao, Hitler, etc, too. But I think I've my point: left wing ideology has killed far more people in human history than right wing ideology.

I'm not the one casting aspersions you are. The only reason I posted what I did is due to your incessant behavior of bringing 'leftist ideology' up you dimwit. I am not a leftist, I am a Democrat and while my views may be considered left of center regarding American politics they aren't remotely inline with the trash you keep bringing up. You can't even see how childish your thinking is by comparing death tolls. It's like a child stomping his feet and saying "but, but, your daddy killed more people then my daddy!.,"

You've never made a point other then to point out how myopic your thinking is.

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I have an observation that I, at least, think is interesting.

I find it interesting how SoCo frequently comes to the defense of civetcat, but civetcat rarely, if ever, comes to SoCo's defense?

Just an observation - nothing more, nothing less. Think

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