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I wouldn't normally respond to such a statement but there is a difference between a cocked position and a drawn and held position. Crossbows are cocked. Compounds are drawn and held. Recurves, longbows, flatbows and self bows are drawn and held.
If a hunter finds that using a crossbow brings them great personal gratification as an archer. Then I say. Let them call themselves a gratified archer.

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Hey Fuzzy,

Please understand that I don't mean any disrespect. I enjoy a good debate and I, like you, am also open-minded enough to hear the next guy out. I appreciate other opinions; that's how you learn. So, if my post sounded anything but friendly, I apologize. That was certainly not the intent.

You make a good point about drawn versus cocked, but does that mean that a crossbow is not a piece of archery gear? Not, in my humble opinion. To me, if it shoots an arrow (or bolt) by means of a limb and string, it's archery gear.

It seems that some bowhunters worry about crossbows because they are easier to use or more efficient. But modern compound bow manufacturers are striving for this all the time. In my opinion, they are just, if not more, advanced than crossbows. For every advantage a crossbow has, they have their own.

The other point, people continually make is that crossbows require less skill to use effectively. That's also true. But compound bows require less skill than instinctive longbow shooting and so on. Having said that, they still require the same skills in range estimation and knowledge of trajectory as in all archery. I still need to know the difference between 20 and 30 yards if I'm going to hit a deer where I want to with my crossbow. I still need the same bowhunting skills to get that close to a deer and recover it after the shot.

My only real beef is when people say that they don't belong in an archery season. We've had them in our archery season in Ontario since 1960 and they have not hurt our deer herd one bit. What they have done is brought more people to the sport, which, in my opinion, is good.

It is like you said, if a person feels comfortable about it, let them have at it. There's no reason to berate a person for that choice, nor is there cause for infighting; that's what the anti-hunters want.

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As Fuzzybear has stated there is one major difference between a crossbow and a compound and that is the fact that an archer needs to draw the bow back and hold the weight until he shoots. Even with a release aid we hold the bow at full draw. Crossbows are drawn without being loaded by putting your FOOT through harness of some sort, pulling back the string with BOTH HANDS until it is cocked, loading a BOLT into a machined CHANNEL and the waitng for an oppourtunity to pull a TRIGGER. NOT EVEN CLOSE to archery.

I have no problem with people who choose to hunt with one, but the weapon has no right to be considered or used in archery season. The argument that it is a tool for herd management is also a crock s$%^. Allowing the use of crossbows helps sell more archery tags that would not have been sold to gun hunters who preferred not to shoot archery because of the time needed to invest to become proficient.

Crossbows belong in gun seasons ( handicapped aside ) PERIOD.

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It shoots an arrow and is propelled by bow limbs and string. In my opinion that makes it archery. You believe what you want to, I'll do the same. I'm okay with that.

I hunt with all sorts of archery gear from osage flatbows that I have made myself to compounds. I like them all. Crossbows included.

In Ontario, they've been included in the archery season since before I was born and our herd and hunting opportunities are still growing in leaps and bounds -- heck we're allowed 6 tags in some units. A good man with a bow is just as effective. They're no threat to archery seasons or deer herds and they get people into the woods.

Another question -- what about all those serious bowhunters who have blown out their shoulders after years and years of pulling heavy bows? Most archers know one or two. Should we deny them an archery season just because they need a crossbow to get in it?

Now as for the full draw part, yes that's true, but we hold our compounds at full draw with a significant mechanical advantage. A crossbow just takes that advantage further.

Lastly, what's wrong with selling more tags to gun hunters? Why shouldn't they enjoy the additional opportunities? All that license money benefits us all.

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Crossbows belong in gun seasons ( handicapped aside ) PERIOD.

If someone is physically unable to pull back the minimum draw weight allowable in that state or province ( 45lbs. in PA ), or is handicapped than sure they should be allowed to use a crossbow in archery season. I'm pretty sure most states already allow that anyway, and if they don't they should.

"It shoots an arrow and is propelled by bow limbs and string. In my opinion that makes it archery. You believe what you want to, I'll do the same. I'm okay with that."

I believe it propells a Bolt but that really has nothing to do with this debate.

"In Ontario, they've been included in the archery season since before I was born and our herd and hunting opportunities are still growing in leaps and bounds -- heck we're allowed 6 tags in some units. A good man with a bow is just as effective. They're no threat to archery seasons or deer herds and they get people into the woods. "

So you agree that the reason to allow Crossbows in Archery season will help with herd management is a bunch of bull. It clearly isn't working in Ontario. Herd management was the reason PA allowed crossbows in archery season and it hasn't helped yet. The real problem is hunter access. Landowners don't allow people to hunt. I have personally been turned down by 24 people in Southeastern Pennsylvania for access to bowhunt private properties.

"Now as for the full draw part, yes that's true, but we hold our compounds at full draw with a significant mechanical advantage. A crossbow just takes that advantage further. "

A release aid allows for a more accurate and consistant release of the string for some archers. It does not help with holding the weight at full draw, the steadiness of your anchor arm, the strenght in your upper body muscles, or the consistancy of your shooting mechanics. Tell me of an archer that can rest the STOCK of a bow on their knee or treestand crossbar, look through a scope, while not physically holding any weight and pull a trigger? Sound like shooting a gun?

"Lastly, what's wrong with selling more tags to gun hunters? Why shouldn't they enjoy the additional opportunities? All that license money benefits us all."

Make a crossbow tag

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I get upset when they want to let muzzle loaders hunt during archery season and I won't go out with the bow during rifle season not because I have anything against muzzle loader or rifle hunters, but because of the safety issue.

I just don't feel safe knowing someone might be 100 or 200 yards away shooting in my direction not knowing I am there up in a tree.

If there was a safety issue with cross bows then I would not want them in archery season, but I don't think that is an issue.

Now for the statement, "A release aid allows for a more accurate and consistant release of the string for some archers. It does not help with holding the weight at full draw, the steadiness of your anchor arm, the strenght in your upper body muscles, or the consistancy of your shooting mechanics."

This statement is not completely accurate. Most compound bows have a "let-off" that allows the archer to hold the bow back longer and with less tension thus making it more accurate.

I don't really see why archers get so upset about crossbows unless they are afraid that the crossbow hunter will take their trophy?

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I was just watching another movie where they called for the archers and there wasn't one crossbow in the bunch.
When they wanted the crossbows. They called for the crossbows.

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I was just watching another movie where they called for the archers and there wasn't one crossbow in the bunch.
When they wanted the crossbows. They called for the crossbows.

Oh we must be watching the same one. Isn't that the one where they called for the archers and not one had a bow with cams, sights, releases and let-off? Think

Seriously, it is semantics. Consider the following passage about archery in early China. The refer to those that use crossbows as archers.

Around 2,500 years ago, the crossbow, which had appeared in China in very early times, went through a major technological development. With the invention of a precision-engineered bronze crossbow mechanism by Clansman Qin of Chu, the crossbow became capable of delivering a heavy load, and for the first time it fired a heavy bolt with such force that an graduated sight reticule and artillery method could be developed. Although that didn’t end the military role of the bow and arrow, it did put archery into the hands of the ordinary infantryman, rather than the noble archer trained of years in natural, bare-bow shooting. This had a significant influence, de-mystifying and popularising the practice of archery in China.

I have an open mind on this, but I haven't heard of one reason, other than they don't like it, why allowing cross bows in archery season is bad. Everyone seems to agree that it is ok if the person is handicapped, but then why the big deal if Joe Blow wants to do it?

Give me a reason other than you don't like it. What does it hurt other than the "tradition?' How does it impair your ability to enjoy bowhunting? If it doesn't adversely affect you then why the problem?

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All I know is that crossbow hunting requires the same skill sets as any other form of bowhunting -- you need the wind in your favour, you need to get close to game, and you need to hit a vital area with a broadhead tipped arrow. That's good enough for me.

More than that, crossbowmen and compound or long bow shooters can co-exist happily within the same season; at least in Ontario. I've seen it my whole life. It's really not that hard. We all love the hunt.

Having said that, I just bought my 13-year-old son a compound bow today. He'll shoot that (as well as a crossbow) throughout his bowhunting career. If he's lucky, he'll even hunt with a longbow and wooden arrows. And, of course, shotguns and rifles. To me, all these are great ways to hunt. I love hunting in any way, shape, or form. Each has its own charm. I think we can all agree on that.

Permit me to address one last argument. The problem with crossbow specific seasons to me is this. It represents more regulations and I think we have enough already -- at least where I'm from.

Anyhow gentlemen, thanks for the debate. Some of your points are well made.
In the end, however, I still believe that crossbows are archery equipment -- they sell them at all of your finer archery shops. Easton and Beman make the bolts.

If it's okay with you, let's all agree to disagree on this one. I'm done with it.

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It worked for me. "Call the archers"
I hunt with longbows and recurves. Shoot 3D with recurve and compound and don't own a crossbow.
The archery shoots don't allow crossbows. They don't even consider them. No classificaion, none.
As was mentioned in an earlier post. The crossbow has been around quite a bit longer than the compound. Yet, the archery records will not/do not include any crossbow kills. Is the crossbow a lousy, inaccurate hunting weapon or is it not considered as an archery hunting weapon?

Hunt with a crossbow, if so desired. I saw one the other day that was 175 lbs. It had a crank to cock it. A mounted scope. Weighed more than my favorite rifle and threw a bolt in excess of 400 ft/sec. Now theres a real piece of (crap) archery gear.

As was said in an earlier post.
If a hunter finds that using a crossbow gives them great gratification as an archer. Then I say. Let them call themselves a gratified archer.

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