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Here is the link agan I wuz jist thar and i knows its works. so iffin this bubba can make it work I know you all kin. http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/local_news/article/0,1651,TCP_16736_2689293,00... Maybe you need to type the whole thang in and let yore fingers get some work instead of jist one.

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Here is the new numbers out of Florida 1800 murdered gamefowl and counting. Knew there was gonna be trouble in Florida that is why we have to recount everything in that state. http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/pj_local_news/article/0,1651,TCP_1121_2692224,...

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Unfortunately the forum software doesn't pick up links correctly when the url (path) has commas in it. To always force a link to work you can wrap the link with:

[url]{your link here}[/url]

So in the examples above it would be:
http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/local_news/article/0,1651,TCP_16736_2689293,00.html

In most cases just pasting in the link will work, but if it doesn't try the "[url][/url]".

So the links referenced above are:

http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/local_news/article/0,1651,TCP_16736_2689293,00.html
http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/pj_local_news/article/0,1651,TCP_1121_2692224,00.html

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If chickens aren't animals, then how can they be murdered?

As far as tipping hands go, you tipped yours, Buck, when you insinuated that David Koresh's illegal firearms and Jeffrey Dahmer's animal abuse were fabrications developed to serve an agenda.

This whole discussion is pointless if your trump card is that everything anyone else says is invalid due to fabricated information from a vast nation-wide liberal conspiracy. If that existed, I seriously doubt that Republicans would own all three branches of government, Mel Gibson's movie would make $117M in its first few days, or that concealed carry laws would be getting passed across the country.

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Buck,
I gotta say that I would disagree when you made this statement "Also the good people of Florida were duped into passing a law that deprives people of their property with out just compensation, which is against the US constitution. " The fact is is that those people were breaking the law and are not entitled to compensation. Same goes for someone shooting a deer out of season, he/she could lose their firearm and their vehicle (if they fired from it). If in fact you were saying that the people of FL were duped into banning cockfighting I would have to disagree. I find it very hard to argue that they were duped. Even if they had never even heard a single word from the media concerning it, I think that most people would vote against it even if it were explained to them by someone who does it. I really don't think that you can expain it to someone who doesn't do it in any way that they will come away from it thinking that it should be leagl. You really can't explain it to someone without it boiling down to "two chickens raised for fighting thrown in a ring to fight to the death with razor sharp talons while the owners cheer them on". I think the argument about seeing old friends and so forth would be lost on the actual event. Am I wrong?

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Buck, Is the supply of chicken in the United States based on whether cockfighting is legal or not?

It's very simple to assume that the demand for corn, grains, or other subsitute feeds will decrease if cockfighting was banned, which may be directly linked to farmers letting their fields run idle, since there was an intitial decrease in the demand for chicken feed.

Once again, Buck, this is only half of the story.

Follow with me now and don't let your mind wonder.

Chicken is an inelastic good. Assuming that an increase in price will decrease the amount of chicken purchased by a large enough quantity causing chicken consumers to seek a subsitute good like beef, pork, lamb, or turkey.

This drop in supply of chicken, due to a ban of cockfighting in Oklahoma, will initially decreases the demand for chicken feed, assuming that individuals who raise chickens for cockfighting decide not to feed their feathered friends.

This drop in supply of chicken in the market, will also create a competitive market price hike and increase the price of chicken products.

If this price shock last long enough, the beef, lamb, pork, and turkey producers will increase supply of meat for consumption due to the increased demand created by the decrease in supply of chicken. This supply increase puts more pressure on farmers to produce more of the subsitute good (ie beef, lamb, pork, or turkey).

Since more of the subsitute good is being consumed, producers look to fill this rising demand by purchasing more animals from the farmer. Farmers then produce more live stock which will directly increases the demand for feed, thus replacing revenue loss from the decrease in chicken feed consumption.

Eventually, other farmers will move into the chicken market, to cash in on the high prices, which will increase the supply, and drive the price of chicken down and back into equilibrium.

The invisible hand of a competitive market works in mysterious ways. It's possible to assume that cockfighting actually henders the chicken market in the United States by inefficently allocating resources to chickens, which are not used to increase the utiltiy of the economy.

This first theory above is similar to the milk dumps in the past, where dairy's would dump their own milk in large enough quantities to create a shortage, which drives milk price up, but eventually the surplus would return, and price would fall.

The Second theory (cockfighting henders the economy) is based on feeding a dairy cow which doesn't produce any milk. Just doesn't make any since, unless, you argue that feeding the cow is worth the pleasure that the cow gives the owner. Much like owning horses, but even horses could be rent out.

As for being out for blood, Buck, I enjoy my time spent hunting outdoors but not watching the animal die after being shot.

Note: I have far more respect for life than to receive pleasure by cornering two animals, fowl if you would like, and pressing the animals to fight for entertainment.

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First of all you don't corner chickens or any other kind of bird to fight. I have told you they do it in the wild. Ever hang up a hummingbird feeder? You ever see what happens to a strange male that isn't alert and goes in for some of the nectar? Well there is another Male that has allready claimed that feeder, he is sitting and watching and when the other bird is taking a drink and isnt paying attention he attacks and a lot of times he kills the other bird. So am I to assume that by hanging that feeder you are agitating those birds to fight and causing death, for your entertainment. How about granny throwing out bird feed and starting the cocks to fight is she to be charged with a crime , since she thinks its funny to watch two cocks fight? As you know all rooster birds can be classified as cocks, or at least I hope you do(cock or cockrel) whichever you prefer.
Also ever hear of trickle down economics (Regan). You hurt the farmer, you also hurt tractor dealers, truck dealers, seed dealers, fuel dealers, and fertalizer dealers. Rooster men also buy incubators, brooders, vet supplies,lumber,nails, wire,and many numerous things. They stay in motels, buy food, and gas at all the towns they go to. There are two major feed companies in Okla. that make a specialty feed just for Roosters. Rooster men pay a premium for these feeds. It's big business like it or not. Also I don't go to the fights to watch them die, same as you claim you kill not to watch the animals die. Also its not me doing the killing? You all wanna talk about dogs. How many dogs have killed humans? Ever hear of a rooster attacking and killing a man? Why aren't the animal rights people taking their $200 million warcheast and hiring someone to take care of all their rooters that they are confiscating in Florida. They could buy some land and some feed and hire a attendant to see that these roosters get the same thing as the rooster men did for the last two years. Could it be their thirst for blood, or could it be that they are ashamed that a four pound bird has more courage than a two hundred man, or could it be that they just want to exert their power and beliefs on a minority? Guess its cause if they did that they wouldn"t have the money to buy politicians if they paid for the care. I see and smell BUTT smoke Or maybe it was a BUCK snort I heered. bye Buck

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Here are a couple of interesting tidbits.Rico Oller is well-armed, with an endorsement by the NRA.
http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2004-02-12/cover.asp

But...........

Humane USA Targets Oller
http://humaneusa.org/article.asp?article_key=63&n=1

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Regan was far from an Economist. I'll even go further to say, "There is no trickle down theory in all of the study, Micro or Macro, to explain market impact."

This is just another good example of Buckogics.

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I knew I would finally ferret you out. You voted for Wayne Allred and can't wait to vote for John Kerry. No one said Regan was a economist but between him and his cabinet they made "Vodoo Economiocs" work. Thank god Jimmy Carter didn't last four more years, interest rates would have been 100% and gas would have been $10.00 a gallon, Coffee $15.00 a pound, sugar $9.oo a pound, beef(without atkins) $40.00 a pound, and no telling how much a chicken would be. Remember? Told you I was a prolific trapper and I never say never.Happy hunting bye Buck

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