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I've busted, bagged, and enjoyed many of these animals. All of which, have never stepped into a cockfighting battle for entertainment, maybe purchased for a BUCK, or can be found on the shelves of a grocery store.

Buck, Sage Chickens, (reference above), were referred to as animals if you will...

You should practice what you preach, Buck's Quote "You guys are really professionals at turning something around someones says."

I can assure you, radical or not, the enjoyment of hunting for most is the fresh air, company of friends, being in the outdoors, the thrill of a trophy, and is done out of respect for wildlife and conservation, which is far from the personal pleasure that you receive from watching an animal die!

From what I understand, surrounding the Columbine case, Eric and Dylan were a couple of regular highschool kids which were burned by the student vs student harassment. There was never a cult involved, if your refering to a religious organization, but instead a group of friends which fed off each others emotions.

Admittedly, youths are influenced by society (tv, fighting, war, and friends) even with the impact of their parents and teachers, some students will run astray.

So Buck, How can you support the violent act of cockfighting in society, which helps shape the next generations minds, but then speak out about school violence?

Note: Both of which, Cockfighting and Columbine, should never be placed together in the same sentence. The only thing binding is the radicals that join them together.

[ This Message was edited by: Quicksilver on 2004-02-29 12:45 ]

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Hey buddy you think the only reason we go to cockfights is a thirst for blood. Wrong! We go for the same reasons as you go hunting. We go for the comraddie of our friends to talk to people about different breeds of chickens, and a breath of fresh air, but mostly its to visit with old friends and interact with them, the same as you go to the deer camp. Do you only go for your thirst for blood? Do you enjoy shooting at unarmed things? See we all got arguments, of course yours are holier than mine, cause everything is right in your own little world. I didn't compare the kids of columbine, but what I am telling you that you and other animal rights activist say that cockfighting is a detriment to the development of a child, and I am asking you for an example of that exact thing, show me one case where it is not in the school shootings. Ever hear the statement that all serial killers and cult members tortured animals as kids? I am also saying that there are other things that the tax money can be spent on besides a animal rights agenda. I fell like Daniel in the lions den here with you all, but I am not giving up. Byeeeeeeee Buck Ps I didn't call them animals so I was half right so that also only makes you half wrong.

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Buck's Quote, "Ever hear the statement that all serial killers and cult members tortured animals as kids?"

Personally I've never heard this quote, but I'll assume: "If you're a serial killer, then you're more likely to torture animals.."

4 pages ago, This topic was about the state receiving federal money for the development of school programs to target fair treatment of animals.

Which Buck, (he'll set me straight if I'm wrong), despises because it fuels bitterness towards cockfighting and is linked directly to Sen. Allard which sponsored the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act and anti-cockfighting legislation.

It's not a far stretch, but maybe this program with federal money and teaching kids about animals could actually improve violence in school indirectly. It's not inconceivable but plays on a few assumptions that this program gives kids another opportunity to learn something that they may enjoy in and outside of class. Passing students the option between choosing a fight or animal care.

There's enough violence in world history, tv, and in their own lives. Should we really spend federal dollars, on classes that covers violence in schools, giving students a double and triple dose of knives, guns, and blood?

If we take Bucks quote from above, apply it to this new program of "teaching kids empathy towards animals", this may actually decrease serial killers in the youths of America....

What's wrong with that?

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Well there you go again, Does that sound too Reganish. I f you will go back to the first page it wasn't me who brought up cockfighting, it was my two intellectuial nemisis with their litte snippet about, Let me give you some primer MN hunter. I said that kids needed to go to school to learn the three RRR's they need to get their other education from their parents and nature. Don't you get the news, there have been kids that have graduated from college that can't read or write, they played football pretty good so lets over look that. Only thing is that the guys that they signed contracts with could read and write, so when they made their marks on the dotted line with their agents and went on to illustrious careers in the NFL and should have been millionairs when they retired, wound up broke because they couldn't read the fine print. So many tax dollars have been squandered on public schools, its a sham. Some of the teachers unions are against the testing of teachers. Wonder why? Could it be because they can't practice what they preach, excuse me i meant teach instead preach.But heck lets try another experiment on the kids and teachers, they are no better than lab rats anyways. Also i have no hatred for anyone. I have distastes and disagreements with people but I have no hate. I can't believe that you have never heard about violent people being animal abusers ever watch the system or cold case files on court tv. Ever listen to those profilers. Surely they can't be wrong. Even though they did say the snipers was a southern white male in twenties and thirties. But lo and behold it turns out they were talking about the guy that eventually catches them (a real truck driving Bubba) guess they got their wires crossed. By the way you never answered my question. Do you go hunting cause you are blood thirsty. You remind me of the preacher that preaches hell fire and damnation on sunday, picks up a bottle at the liquor store on monday and commits adultry on tuesday, lies about it on wednesday, and then goes around to pray on thursday, commits adultry again on friday, lies about it on saturday then is back at the pulpit on sunday. The Lord works in mysterious ways! Your shot buddy I have to go and its raining so I need to keep my powder dry. Bye Buck

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Here is a link for you guys and gals read it carefully bitsmasher. http://www.animalrights.net/quotes.html Buck

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Want you to read this article. It reminds me of the holocoust 1000 die without a chance to fight for their life. Glad I am not one of their captives! http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/local_news/article/0,1651,TCP_16736_2689293,00... Also would like you to notice that none of these birds were fighting, they were alleged. But it doesn't matter to these people lies and more lies. Told you they kill more than are killed at the cockfights evey year. But what the heck they die for the enjoyment of these people so they can play God.

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I'm trying to follow all the twists and turns here. On one hand you say activity such as cockfighting doesn't produce violence as kids get older. Yet on the other hand you bring up serial killers. Jeffrey Dahmer, for one, started out torturing animals in his youth.

As far as the nature/nurture arguement, I'm not claiming that you can train a mule to be a thoroughbred, nor am I claiming it's possible to turn a hen into a fighting cock. However, I've never known an athlete that didn't improve through practice. Muhammad Ali didn't get where he did by genetics alone.

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You didn't read the news article, did you? The one I put the link up for out of Florida. Where they confiscated 1000 roosters worth $500,000.00, these are their own estimates. By the way Quicksilver this is for you too, do you realize how much it cost to feed and house 1000 roosters not to mention the man hours it takes to take care of them. Don't you think that the feed stores made a profit, don't you think that the state of Florida got the tax money off the feed, don't you think the farmer that grew the grain sold it. This is in reference to you doubting the economic empact on Okla. There are over a half a million roosters in Okla. so you do the math. I guess in the next farm bill we will have to pay more farmers to hang out at the coffee shop while their grain fields lay fallow. Now back to you expatriate, if you would have read the article then you would have noticed where the lady said that cockfighting leads to spousal and child abuse. You all like painting someone you don't agree with, with a broad brush even though there is no evedience to support your theory. Just so you can brainwash the public with lies, half truths, and inuendos. That is what is going on here and in Florida. Do you know for a fact that Jeffery Dahmer abused animals(not counting man)? Do you know that David Koresh had illeagal firearms? Or are you just taking someones word for it like you have about cockfighters. Guess what there were no illeagal weapons in Waco, but it took burning of 80 or so women and kids to prove it.So where are the lies going to stop, when are people going to think for themselves and stop letting politicians and people with agendas and the media do it for them? Use some common sence, I know a lot of people with book learning that aren't half as smart as the people with experience. Case in point the military, the difference between a shave tail and a sargent. The leiutenant has the acadamy learning and the sarg has the experience. If I have to go into battle give me the sargent. Also the good people of Florida were duped into passing a law that deprives people of their property with out just compensation, which is against the US constitution. They have the blood of a thousand roosters on their hands that they murdered in the name of the law. So now who is cruel? Thanks Buck

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http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/local_news/article/0,1651,TCP_16736_2689293,00...


Buck, It's hard to read the article when your link takes the reader to a site map...

I think it's safe to assume that, if cockfighting was banned in the United States, there would still be farmers raising chickens for profit, and slaughter houses producing chicken for consumption.

With or without cockfighting, the feed mills are still going to make money, Oklahoma will collect it's taxes, and I highly doubt that corn farmers will have to let their fields lay idle.

Who is painting who with the half truth?

Buck, show me a real figure that determines cockfighting as a detrimental factor to the production of chicken.

Better yet, just compare, Oklahoma's chicken production relative to Mississippi's or another state which has banned cockfighting.

Maybe it's even safe to assume that production of chicken would actually increase when cockfighting is banned, since more resources could be dedicate to producing chicken goods.

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Ever hear of CRP land? What do you think that is? Its land that people collect money from for letting it lay fallow(not planting). Maybe I had better rephrase that its farmer welfare. I know you know about supply and demand. The more something is in demand the shorter the supply, then the more someone is going to supply the demand. Which in turns means planting more acres of something. But without the demand the more people are dependant on the government(you like that don't you) like someone having to depend on others to make or break them. I am not the one telling half truths. I would have posted the story but I was not allowed I was told to post the link, now its my fault it doesn't work. I am just trying to play by the rules, aren't I moderator. But I will see if I can find out why it doesn't work or I could risk banishment and post it. If you are insinuating that chicken production is going to increase by doing away with cockfighting then you are wrong, commercial chicken farming is driven by the same factors as the grain market, supply and demand. With the spread of the bird- flu the demand is off, so I guess we will have to pay Tysons and Pilgrims a subsidsy not to put any more chickens in their houses. Also I never said cockfighting was detrimental to chicken raising because you see without the game chickens there would be no six week old chickens for you to eat. If you want figures contact the okla depart of agriculture. If you want CRP figures contact your Senator from Colo. Find out if he is subsidising the farmers along with the children of Colo. Greedy people are the reasons for the sell out of America today. What can I do for you?How much will it cost? Well what ever it is contact my pac and leave a donation! Sound familiar. You still haven't answered my question do you have a thirst for blood, is that why you hunt? Bye Buck

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