You never give up do you. A fedral judge said a chicken wasn't a animal the dictionary says its not. Chickens dont have teeth,hooves,hands, stomach,hair, dont run on all fours, , nor do they climb trees so where do you get that they are animals. Also a chicken does not give birth they lay eggs. Your a hair splitter and thats something a chicken or any other fowl has. But you like to split them for your own purposes. Ever go chicken hunting with the exception of the grocery store? Ever bag one without a BUCK.

[ This Message was edited by: bucknaked40 on 2004-02-27 21:55 ]

Chickens are birds.

People, horses, and dogs are mammals.

Bird and mammals are in the group called animals.

Animals have two broad groups, those w/ and w/o ververtebrae. Ah.... a backbone...., a common trait that links us all ... not to mention our eukaryotic cells. Yes the true cells that bind us, not those hapless brothers of ours the prokaryotes. Prokaryotes got a whole kingdom devoted to their kind and the poor buggers can't even put a single nucleus together! HO HO a nucleus, now there's something to group by!

The animal is one of five even broader groups that comprise all known life on earth.

The science is called taxonomy and the groups, rules, and definitions were laid down long before the modern animal rights movement. Thus, saying "birds are animals" is not some modern hocuspocus conveniently conjured for activist everywhere.

Birds are animals. The judge that said otherwise was snuffing too much of his butt smoke.

BTW, wasn't it you awhile back that was ranting about a judge (judges?). Oh yeah... oh yeah.... I forgot... sorry... The crazy judges are those that want to stop cockfighting, the worthy judges are those that declare things like "By Joe, chickens are birds and not animals!".

Now Buck if you want to run around organizing the plethora of life in your own way, have a fantastic whirl! However, you'll learn pretty quick there is lot more to it than "feathers, guts, gizzards, and hooves".

I guess i will have to surrender the all mighty has spoken. "NOT" I don't care what you call a animal, I call a chicken fowl the bible calls them fowl and the judge call them fowl. So I reckon you don't know fowl from butt smoke. As far as the supreme court goes in Oklahoma they overruled a referee that they appointed, something that has never been done in history of Okla, and put the referendum on the ballot. Then after it was put on there they found out that the signatures really wasn't legal. The woman that got the petition up worked for the O.S.B.I. the most elite crime fighting unit in the state of Okla. they claim all this illegal activity was going on and cockfighters were criminals. If we are the scum of the earth then why did it have to go to the ballot box? I guess it was because of the butt smoke Miss Janet Haliburton was blowing up the pepole of Okla. with the aid of the Tulsa World and the Daily Oklahoman. Also Miss Haliburton used her office for illegal purposes and when it was brought to the Governors attention she resigned. Not prosecuted. Also this Lady writes for a web site called GAYLY.com . Her picture was on there and some of her writings so you might want to check this out. But we need tolerence, more butt smoke. Also I want to know if a Gerbil is a animal? What would be considered cruelty to it? We opening a new can of worms here. How many cells do they have? Thanks for the thread but Im perfectally capable of starting my own. So you will have to start your own fires Bitsmasher I am out of matches!

I'm curious, Buck. If you raise game cocks, do you have them spar against each other with covers on the spurs to sort out the most aggressive ones and to give the most talented ones practice? I'd imagine it wouldn't be good sense to throw a prize rooster in the pit untested, and yet there's no sense in him tearing up the sparring partners. After all, I know from experience that chickens cost money to raise...particularly if you're going for roosters only. No sense in throwing out a practice cock when he can be re-used. And heaven forbid if a "nobody" gets in a lucky hit on your prize cock and takes him out of competition. Or, if you're developing a young prospect, a lot of effort would go down the drain if you underestimated one of his sparring partners. So is game fowl training to the death?

[ This Message was edited by: expatriate on 2004-02-28 15:53 ]

Well you see its kinda like this i don't use them myself. But i do dub their natural spur. When I do spar one its el natural as mother nature intended and if he gets hit in the eye, he just shouldn't of had his head down there. Every body talks this agression thing, its HOOEY. Its just like in war you get too aggresive and someone dies. So that should kill that myth for you? You take one thats real agressive and I will take a one of the "ALI" rope-a-dope ones and whip you eight out of ten times.Kinda like a boxer when he gets KOed he shouldn't of had his chin there, get my drift. Mine is as nature intended. Besides it like raising race horses if you have a son of man of war you train him and take him to the races. You can't teach a horse to run by running, no more than you can teach a cock to fight by sparring. Its all in the genes. You know who his mammy and pappy was and that is sufficient. Its all about breeding. I know you don't understand that it takes years of meticilious work to have anything any good no matter wheather it is gamecocks or children. Some people never take the time for their children and some don't take the time with their birds. Failures comes with everything if you don't follow through. Also some people that are failures make it their lifes work to make sure that everyone fails, the jelousy dragon rears its ugly head. Well gotta go and feed and water my birds. Maybe i will go out there and deprive some of them and smack them around to make them aggresive (NOT) I will go out to my little feathered gladiators, they will start to crow and strut and cut their wings and dance a little jig just for me,(reckon they are glad to see me) and I will pick up some of them and stroke them and admire them and they will be glad to see me tomorrow. The reason being because they know I will protect them from preditors. Wheather they are airborne four footed or two footed coming to uthenize them with a needle or the gas chamber. I'll tell you something the HSUS and law enforcement are responsible for more gamecocks dying than all cock fighters. But again what the HAY lets all believe their lies and be tolerent. Bye buddy See ya Buck

Oh and by the way you folks watch entirely too much ANIMAL PLANET. I would have edited the othe one but I all ready know you can do things to EXCESS around here so thought better of it! Byeeeeeeeee Buck

Interesting. By your logic, the best way to obtain a triple crown winner would be to pick one with good blood lines and keep him in the barn his entire life until the day of the race. By that standard, today's kids that sit in front of the TV should sweep the Olympics in a few years.

You guys are really professionals at turning something around someones says. Do you now or have you ever worked for the news media? What I am telling you is that no matter how much running a thoroughbred does if he don't have it then you can't make a race horse out of a Jackass. Also you can't make a fighting cock out of a laying hen by sparring, its in the genetics and thats not my LOGIC its mother natures. You brought it up about the kids and TV, so I would just like to ask you what happened at cullembine(not sure of the spelling) but you know what I am talking about. Was this the product of MTV or was it cockfighters kids? I defy any of you to connect any of the school shootings to cockfighters kids. Don't you think that my tax dollars and yours could be better spent teaching the kids of Colorado tolerence for their fellow man instead of the Agenda of animal rights? You might want to point this out to MR Allred. Or maybe a class on guns and ammo. These kids need parents as teachers and not the public school system, so who has failed here. Its not me or any others like me, its the few the Elite that didn't have the time to spend with their kids teaching them right from wrong. Sure I took mine to cockfights, which they have their own fowl now, I also taught them to hunt and fish, and how to farm. They can be totally self sufficient in case something happens. But I also taught them to respect their elders and say yes sir and no mam. Just as I was taught from my formative years. I didn't have any school instill the teachers political agendas into them. But you know what mostly I took time to talk to my kids.Any of you fellows ever dig snakeroot? Will be waiting for you fellows to put your spin on this. Like the six oclock news and take a little snippet here and there and distort it to your way of thinking. Man ain't god Good? Thanks Buck

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Ever go chicken hunting with the exception of the grocery store? Ever bag one without a BUCK. ]

Actually Buck, for a chicken person, and being familiar with Colorado, I'm shocked that you've never heard of hunting Sage Chickens in the flats of Northwest Colorado (Craig, Hayden, Meeker, Maybell, and Sunbeam).

I've busted, bagged, and enjoyed many of these animals. All of which, have never stepped into a cockfighting battle for entertainment, maybe purchased for a BUCK, or can be found on the shelves of a grocery store.

I tend to agree with you that parents should spend more time with their childern, while the children should spend less time watching television, but to say that Columbine was the product of a decrease in parenting and an increase in television is to ignore an infinite list of variables which have an impact on children in and out of school.

Eric Harris 18, Dylan Klebold 17, each had minds of their own, seperate from their parents, and both made the choice on April 20, 1999 to commit that heinous crime. I find it hard to believe that agriculture, ammo classes, out-door ed, teaching tolerance, and more parenting is going to prevent school violence.

Buck, You have an interesting perspective to support cockfighting by noting that children of cockfighers would not participate in school violence.

Does violence in society (ie - tv, cockfighting, and war) aid school violence?

Or is violence completely genetic, like your chicken gladiators, where fighting instincts are inherited, and not learned?

[ This Message was edited by: Quicksilver on 2004-02-29 11:27 ]

I am glad that you finally figured out that chickens don't have the ability to reason. That its all inherited(refer back to its in the genes) their reasons to fight. Oh yes we have those here but they are called sage hens, but we also have prarie chickens, guess since their aren't any praries in colo. you can't call them that. Also you didn't bag one without a Buck cause I know what it takes to go hunting. The thing about the kids. If any of these had of been tied to cockfighting families would we ever hear the last of it, no it would be more fresh on peoples minds than 9-11 cause the animal rights activist and the news media would become PIT Bulls and never let go. Also I know about species and sub-species, reason being because we as cockfighters have been labeled as the lower echelon of the human race (ie barbarians). But guess what we are your neighbors and co-workers so call us what you like. Will we ever surrender, some might, but the ones that have admired the courage of a five pound bird in all kinds of adversities will never quit. Also you don't think that kids think as they are taught? Just cause one is 18 it doesn't mean that he isn't the product of his or her enviroment. I chose to see who my kids hung out with (chickenfighters)and coon hunters, not some cult. So the ole deal, well I didn't know, don't wash with me. Thanks Buck Ps glad you weren't so radical this time. LOL Also did you find it entertaining to take these birds and make a meal out of them? HUH?(refering to sage chickens)notice I nor you refered to them as animals. (FOWL)or foul