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Here is some more news for you people. I want you to try this out in front of a abortion clinic doctors house and see if you aren't prosecuted under the RICO act.Judge dismisses 39 charges brought against animal rights activists

The Associated Press

BOSTON --
A Superior Court judge has dismissed a total of 39 charges against a dozen animal rights activists who protested outside the home of an insurance industry executive.

The activists are linked to the group Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, or SHAC, which is trying to shut down Huntingdon Life Sciences, a pharmaceutical company that tests on animals.

The activists, all between the ages of 18 and 26, protested in August of 2002 outside the Boston apartment of an executive for insurance brokerage Marsh USA, which at the time did business with Huntingdon.

The attorney general's office brought charges of extortion, threatening, stalking and conspiracy against the activists, who chanted slogans outside the man's Back Bay home, where he lived with his wife and son.

Judge Janet L. Sanders dismissed the charges earlier this week, saying most of the activists' actions were constitutionally protected free speech.

"We were ready to take this head on if the case was not dismissed," said Lauren Gazzola, one of the defendants. "But we were also confident that if the judge upheld the Constitution, they would be dismissed."

The charges were a "political" attempt to chill the Philadelphia-based group's activism, Gazzola said.

Marsh has since stopped doing business with Huntingdon and "I know it was because of our actions" both in Boston and at other Marsh locations, she said.

Charges of criminal harassment and conspiracy to commit criminal harassment against two of the defendants were not dismissed.

The attorney general's office indicated that it would not appeal the decision, Gazzola said. A call to the office on Saturday to confirm that was not returned.

Source: http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040221/APN/402...

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Buck doesn't abide by the regular rules of logic, instead Buck has Buckogics.

Buckogics is a nice little machine that, despite what logical argument you put into it, the machine craps out a steaming pile of a counter argument. Now most everybody realizes the counter argument reeks. But not Buck, no... no... to him the machine has just laid a golden egg that is logically sound and makes complete sense.

Here's an abridged list:

Eating is Entertainment!
(In Buckogics breathing is optional and crapping wouldn't happen if you didn't entertain yourself.)

Chickens are not animals!
(Buckogics does not recognize subsets, supersets, or that anything can have more than one group. Nope in Buckogics birds are fowl, end of story, anything more than that doesn't compute.)

If you vote against cockfighting your voting against Christians!
(Buckogics says if you support one idea of a proponent, you automatically support all ideas of the proponent. Its almost inductive reasoning, but its not, that would be too clever.)

If you vote against cockfighting your voting against hunting!
(See above)

If you don't support Buck your supporting the AR!
(The Buckogics machine works in mysterious ways.)

since im illierate and all I know is how to read
(This is actually Buckonics, but listed here to demonstrate the true power of the Buckogics machine.)

Also if Mr Allred is a republican then i'm a Taliban and you all are Sheite Muslims.
(Allard is a republican, so I guess that means Buck is going to blow himself up, although it could mean he is going to blow us up, or both. Not real sure on this one, I only have a minor in Buckogics.)

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Thanks, Bit.

You forgot selective use of analogy. It's OK to bet on chicken fights but not dogs because dogs are animals like us. However, even though he mentioned boxing and UFC, this same argument wasn't applied to those sports, because it would invalidate the argument that it's OK to have chickens fight but not animals.

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Mr Quicksilver told you a animal has a stomach. And as all you bird hunters know that a fowl has a crop for holding its food and a gizzard for grinding it. Evedintally Bitsmasher has a appetite for CROW. Have you all ever heard of dining out for entertaiment? Guess not, Thats something only people do in TEXAS. Also just because a wolf puts on sheep clothing and calls himself a sheep doesn't mean he not out for lamb chops, Mr Allred smells of lanolin . I just wish I was half as smart as you fellows then I certianally wouldn't be on here. But since i am not, and the Moderator made this forum for me, so I wouldn't be bothering you guys in yours, im here for the duration. Mn Hunter bet you didn't know that i am the reason for this forum, Thats something that the guys forgot to tell you.Hey expatriate you don't think they are betting on boxing and the ultimate fighting? I'll even bet you have made a wager or two in your lifetime and I know it had to be illeagal if you use your definition. Buck

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But since i am not, and the Moderator made this forum for me, so I wouldn't be bothering you guys in yours, im here for the duration. Mn Hunter bet you didn't know that i am the reason for this forum, Thats something that the guys forgot to tell you.

Bucknaked40, please do not insinuate that you have any more right to be on this forum than anyone else, have any input in moderation, or that you are affiliated with BigGameHunt in any way beyond a registered member.

Also, Bucknaked40, please post links only to all stories, articles, news, or other copyrighted materials you wish to discuss from here on out. While I'm willing to overlook an occasional copy and paste by any member who is not familiar with the rules and doesn't make a habit of it, you consistently (recently and in the past) copy others work on to the board. If you cannot come up with a link, please do not post it.

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Sir if I insinuated that I am truly sorry, because I surely didn't mean to. This forum was created so that other people and I wouldn't have to lay our keyboards down. Please accept my apologies. Also the thing I poasted did have the link and gave credit to the person that wrote it and they could click on the link and get the complete story. Again if I am in error i apologize. I also hope you noticed I don't use the exclimation point any more and have a very consertive use of the caps. So i have learned some of the rules. But you have to admit I bring new things to the discussions. Again I'm sorry please forgive me if I gave any one the wrong impressions. Thanks Buck

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The politics forum was around from the start and considerably before the "put down the keyboard" quote that you allude too.

About the links. Copying the full piece even with citation is still considered illegal (by copyright law) if the copyright holder does not consent. Links are requested and have been a part of the rules for some time. Most folks don't even realize that this is an issue, but links are the preferred and required method of sharing content here.

Thanks.

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Buck, I think you're misunderstanding my point. I believe you said earlier that dog fighting isn't right because they're animals like us. Chickens (by your definition) aren't, so therefore dog fighting is wrong and chicken fights are OK.

Yet you turn right around and say that boxing and UFC are OK -- yet those combatants are far more human than pit bulls.

I'm just pointing out inconsistencies in your logic. Using "humanness" as a basis for moral judgments about bloodsport is a flawed approach. The issue is more a matter of mortality -- that cock fighting's (and dog fighting's) goal is the death of one of the combatants. If boxing or UFC went to the death, it would be condemned as well.

Competing animals against each other isn't the issue -- we do it all the time in horse and dog racing, etc. Whether it's animals or people, the thrill of sports is in the competition. It seems a bit disturbing to me to say the competition isn't enjoyable unless the loser dies. That makes me wonder -- is it about competition, or is it about watching an animal (or fowl) meet a brutal death?

As far as Thanksgiving goes, I do enjoy a good turkey, and find it entertaining. However, the part I enjoy is eating the meal, not watching the bird get butchered.

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I never said anything like that. If you want to fight dogs thats your business. Would I ever attend one, no. Do i own dogs, Yes, have all my life except for the four years I was in the military. I like coon dogs most cause I have spent a many of nights out in the woods with my Hounds and family. When I say family I mean it literaly, my wife and two children and sometime kids from town that wanted to go. Have I ever witnessed a dog and coon fight, yes. So has all the kids that have come down here and went with us. Also my family has attended cockfights with me along with some of the kids from town. Guess what none of us has turned out to be serial killers and none of us have went to prision, none of us have ever used drugs. My wife was a stay at home mom and sometimes I was a stay at home dad. I have made a living from hunting and fishing,and I am a prolific trapper, and so are my wife and kids. I was layed up one winter with back problems and when I couldn't go my wife and kids ran my trap lines. Guess what we killed a fat hog, ate tomato soup that my wife canned ate potatoes from the root celler and had a good winter. As a matter of fact two or three good winters. But lo and behold who comes out of the wood work and starts throwing blood on peoples furs and drives the fur market to nothing. So as you can see these people have been taking away my heritage from me for a long time. But its ok I mean what the HAY lets be tolerent it doesn't effect you all in any way. Also I would like you to know no matter what you have heard hens have no teeth, thats why they are scarace, neither do any kind of FOWL. So now we have established Fowl have no stomachs or teeth. And as most all of you know roosters of any kind grow spurs on their legs the are sharp as needles. Fowl of all kind fight in the wild they maim and kill each other put out each others eyes and tear at each others flesh. The game cock originated from a wild jungle fowl that dates back to prehistoric times. These birds have territories and if one crosses into the others territory the fight is on either one dies or one runs away same as in cockfighting the only difference is man is not involved. And it takes them a lot longer to kill each other.
By the way I like turkey for thanksgiving and I raise me one or two a year and take them out to the chopping block for a trim (dont want to get too graphic) but what I really like is to go down to the slough and whack me a couple of duck and have duck and dressing. Well gotta go bye Buck

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Buck, How long are you going to squander around the point that a fowl is not an animal?

You're very good at defining that chickens have crops and gizzards for digestion, but, all digestion takes place in an "internal cavity".

Fowl is just another name for a Bird, much like canine is for dog, or feline is for cat. All of which are classified as Animals and should fall equally under the 1976 animal welfare bill.

Although, Buck, you made a valid point about roosters having spurs which are sharp as needles to aid in fighting.

If this where true for boxers or ultimate fighters, each would be given brass knuckles, knives, or other various tools instead of padded gloves before entering the ring.

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