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Howdy folks long time no see. Just thought I would update you on Mr Wayne Alered. He is now in the business of indoctrinating your children and grandchildren into the HSUS philosophy.Your Federal Tax Dollars Working for 'Tolerance and Empathy'

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With a assist from Colorado's two U.S. senators, the Denver-based American Humane organization is getting federal tax dollars "to teach Colorado schoolchildren tolerance and empathy through a relationship with animals."

Thanks to the efforts of U.S. Sens. Wayne Allard and Ben Nighthorse Campbell (both Republicans), American Humane said it has received "a federal appropriations award" to bring its message into Colorado schools.

The funds - no amount specified -- were appropriated through the U.S. Department of Education Fund for the Improvement of Education Account, the group said in the press release.

American Humane said it intends to expand existing educational programs that help students and communities learn to prepare for and care for animals during natural and /or manmade disasters. The curriculum will also include general information about the proper care of animals.

"If we are ever going to be successful in ending the cycle of violence in our society, we must build empathy and humane behavior within children when they are young," said Suzanne Barnard, American Humane's vice president of public policy.

"Thanks to Sens. Allard and Campbell, we will be able to take the message of humane education to schoolchildren across Colorado," Barnard added.

In the past, American Humane has partnered with cable affiliate Animal Planet in a nationwide effort to spread the word about how to prepare for and care for animals during disasters. The federal tax money will allow American Humane to continue this work independently, it said.

American Humane said it received the award based on its "126-year-old tradition as a national leader in professional education, training, advocacy, research, and evaluation related to child and animal welfare."

American Humane noted that in 2002, it presented Sen. Allard with its 2001 Humane Legislator of the Year Award for supporting measures that better the lives of children and animals.

Recently, Sen. Allard sponsored the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act and anti-cockfighting legislation, included in the 2001 farm bill.

Sen. Nighthorse Campbell recently supported the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act, the Captive Wildlife Safety Act, and a resolution recognizing the social problem of child abuse and neglect.

"Both senators recognize the power and impact that interaction with animals can have on school-age children," said Barnard. "We sincerely appreciate their continued interest and support."

American Humane's website says since 1915, it has promoted humane education with its trademarked "Be Kind to Animals Week."

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Hey Bucknaked, I agree that the private group shouldn't be receiving federal tax dollars for this (although if it made it into the cirriculm we would be paying for it anyway).

However what is wrong with teaching kids a program that:

"....intends to expand existing educational programs that help students and communities learn to prepare for and care for animals during natural and /or manmade disasters. The curriculum will also include general information about the proper care of animals. aching kids a program that...."

Admittedly that sounds like a strange description, since colorado doesn't have many (if any) man-made or natural disasters. But, its no secret that kids like animals, sounds like its ok to me as long as the program is reviewed and isn't used to bandstand their anti-hunting agenda.

I tend to agree with some of general animal welfare issues, such as animal neuturing, some forms of animal research, regulated euthanisa, animal fighting for sport. But totally disagree on other issues such as banning of rodeo, baiting, or hunting.

What is wrong with a senator supporting some but not all of the issues of a given lobby group? Allard has a history of voting for and sponsoring bills that open up more public land for hunting. That alone says that he does not agree with all points of HSUS and that HSUS has so little influence that they are forced to give awards to senators that only support a portion of their agenda.

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You know i thought that school was for learning the three "R"s. But now i see that because of my bubba makeup I don't really understand that it is to teach our children political agendas of other people that do not hold the same beliefs as me. That way they will come home and rebel against the parents. Also this is straight out of Karl Marx therioes or the communist manifesto of how to subvert a nation. You start in the schools. That way the kids can learn that Johnnie has two fathers and Suzie has two mothers. Also Bitsmasher you know that this is only the start of their indoctination into the warm and fuzzy world of bambi.They arent going to stop with the other stuff that you so redily agree with. They are gathering your confidence so that you wont oppose them when it supports something that you find offensive. They will take advantage of each and everyone of us till there is no one left to support your agenda. Then the others that have fallen beside the wayside will not hear your cries for help, you will find your self alone and defeated. So don't be so quick to condem others for doing things that you are not in favor of and have no first hand knowledge of. Thanks Buck

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Here is something you also might be interested in. This is after the indoctrination in our early schools, then they can go to college and write for the newspapers. .............Whether it's the circus, cockfighting, bullfighting or the rodeo, make a vow to avoid any event that exploits, torments or harms animals in the name of entertainment or so-called sport. Cockfighting is anti-American, anti-Christian and immoral. It has no place in civil society...........

Shouldn't Civil Society As Defined By Animal Rights Exclude Christianity?
"Christianity is our foe. If animal rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian religious tradition." Peter Singer

Column:Hints and tips for animal rights

by Richard "Bugman" Fagerlund and Viki Elkey

Daily Lobo columnists

Animal Protection of New Mexico, Inc. is a statewide animal protection organization and its mission is to advocate the rights of all animals by affecting systemic change resulting in the humane treatment of all animals.

Source: http://www.dailylobo.com/news/2004/02/18/Opinion/Columnhints.And.Tips.Fo...

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Buck,
If you want to debate whether any public money should go to private organizations, fine. However, just because the message is not to your particular liking does not mean it is unfit for the general public. As a hunter, I am probably in your camp when it comes what I believe. However, I believe I am a better person today because I was presented with alternate views. Former Supreme Court Justice once coined the term "marketplace of ideas". It is a theory I subscribe to. I do not condemn an idea/stance just because I do not agree with it. In fact, 9 times of of 10 when presented with an opposing viewpoint, I am able to reaffirm and/or reinforce my view. As parents, friends, and fellow hunters I believe we have the duty to let our children hear both sides of the issue. I know that the argument will come up that young children are very impressionable and the above does not apply to them and it is a vaild discussion. However, censorship of ideas that are not to our liking is the worst approach when educating our children. It only creates intolerance.

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I can not believe what I am hearing! I think that Buck is right. I feel that
parents should be the basis behind children’s ideas until they are of a certain
age. I can tell you from a first hand experience that teachers are not always
teaching just the three "R"'s in the classroom. Some are teaching their own
political views, like in the classroom of my 9 year old son this past fall. His
teacher was one of those "tree hugging furry creature kissing types" who
insisted that my "gun carrying, fish eating, horse riding sportsman" son
write a paper on the sinister acts of hunting the Harp Seal. When he refused
to write such a paper, insisting that it is the livelihood of the American
Eskimo and their traditional way of life, he was punished and told he would
not be able to enjoy recess until he had written the paper to support her
point of view. Now I ask you who was enlisting censorship here? Who was
being intolerant. It is easy to be tolerant of something you favor, but it is
just as easy to be intolerant of other views if you have been brainwashed
since early childhood. Headstart is just a cheaper means of daycare for
working parents, and I am in the Early Childhood Education field, so I
know what is taught at what age and what is not. It is based on age
appropriate levels and the only thing appropriate at age 3 is colors. And if
we want to teach tolerance why can’t our children say a prayer aloud in
school and why is GOD such a dirty word in public these days??? Is it
because of your exalted Supreme Court or is it because the HSUS seems to
buy politicians with their millions of tax free dollars? Or maybe just maybe
they slipped an uncover HSUS terrorist into your classroom as a child, and
you by not fault of your own, was indoctrinated unconsciously with
tolerance to their agenda.

WOW you people make me nervous, no wonder I try not to visit often.
Thought it was safe to go back into the woods when what do you know I
find old “Beleaguered Buck” catching flack from the masses once again. I
am beginning to think yall have an open season on him and are seeking him
out. Question is do we need to buy a license to hunt Buck? Reacon how
many points he’ll score in Boone and Crockett if he’s ever bagged?
Probably be a trophy kill in Colorado, if judged by Animal Rights
extremists.

Buck,
Buddy beware they are gunning for you again. Keep your ears clear and
your butt low. God’s speed to ya Buck

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Powderburn,
I appreciate your response. However, I think you may have misjudged me and missed my point. First off, I am an avid hunter, will do everything in my power to support everyone's second amendment, and as a Christian I don't think praying in a public school by oneself is a bad thing. As for my point, I believe that allowing dissent of a position will help eliminate the the censorship you say your son went through. The teacher in question probably grew up in a situation were dissent of their view (i.e. that hunting and the like is good for nature) was not allowed. I applaude you if you are teaching your son about the value of hunting and the positive effect hunters have on nature. However, if you are insulating him from any opposing viewpoint you are doing him a great disservice. After his encounter with the teacher you had the perfect opportunity to explain to him that people have another view opposed to what you and he believe, which is ok. Contrary to what you may think, I was not gunning for Buck nor was I indoctrinated with any certain beliefs from a rogue teacher. As I stated in my last post, the age at some topics should be discussed can certainly be debated. I agree with you a 3 year old needs to simply learn his/her surroundings. However, once a child reaches the age of cogitive deveoplment (around 11 or 12 according to Jean Piaget) I think they are quite capable of starting to develop their own ideas and beliefs. Since you are in the early education field I am sure you know all about that so I won't drag on about it. Again, I appreciate your post and I hope I clarified my earlier post.

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Well, deja vu. It's been a long time since we've heard from Bucknaked40 and Powderburn. MNHunter, let me give you a primer.

Buck seethes with anger toward the HSUS and is firmly convinced the organization is behind just about every evil imaginable. Much of his anger arises from his love for cock fighting, which HSUS vigorously opposes.

Powder is Robin to Buck's Batman -- always available to rally to his defense and ride shotgun in the HSUS Batmobile.

Both are masters of self-deprecation and are itching to argue with anyone who attempts to critically analyze logical or intellectual underpinnings supporting their arguments. Expect to be labeled elitist or ignorant if you express disagreement.

They can raise some interesting points, but they can be pretty volatile. Handle with care.

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Well said MNHunter.

A little background info on what is going on in this thread. Buck supports cockfighting and Allard was instrumental in its demise, Campbell also assisted (both are Colorado senators). Both receive money from know animal welfare groups, both support expansion of public hunting and receive financial assistance from the NRA (crafty politicians I completely admit). Buck has been trying to show for some time now that since the senators banned cock fighting they are on the verge of doing the same to hunting. I've read all of Buck's post and I'm not quite sure that he is a hunter, but I'm quite sure that he wants CO hunters to vote out Allard (got a few more years before that comes around).

Disclosure: I voted for Allard in 2002, but don't consider myself a big fan.

By the way, there is some evidence that schools and kids have nothing against hunting.

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I agree with both MNHunter and Powder in most ways. I too have seen the attempts to feed kids a targeted agenda, although generally it's been on social terms. A few years back, my daughter was upset about racism and the KKK, yet got a blank look on her face when I asked if the curriculum had discussed the Black Panthers. Similarly, she was upset on another occasion when they covered the Holocaust, but didn't have a clue what I was talking about when I asked her if they'd mentioned Stalin or Mao Tse-Tung -- each of which outdid Hitler in the genocide department.

Political correctness runs rampant throughout today's school systems. Columbus is becoming taboo because he supposedly was cruel to natives. Jefferson is becoming tarnished because he owned slaves. The causes of WWII are becoming muddy. Some events and people in history are given a disproportionately large amount of attention due to current political agendas, and kids come away thinking that minor events and people were enormously important, and vice versa.

My 8th-grade son recently said he'd been told to do a book report on a book written by an African-American author or containing a major African-American character. Somewhat sarcastically, I blurted out "Huck Finn," but he said that's not on the approved list. He's a little frustrated that school is telling him to think freely -- but only within certain bounds that they allow.

I too, have read that some people believe the key is to indoctrinate youth. Yet I've also read that today's youth are becoming more conservative. This is probably because they hit the independent phase and start wondering why so many things are taboo. Kids are smart and eventually start resenting force-fed agendas. What concerns me is that some valid social agendas (i.e. racism, etc) will be disregarded as kids age because they reject such things as the establishment party line.

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Thanks Bit and EX. I didn't know the history of those two. I did think that I was getting into a discussion which would eventually lead to the "well, you're an idiot" comeback when someone gets frustrated and decides not to put any intellectual energy into their thoughts. That said, I think everyone brought up good arguments to this point so I think I will let it die. I should stay out of the Politics forum for a while, especially with it being an election year. See you guys on another topic!

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