I just finished archery hunting area 19 near crown point road, saw 2 bulls way out of range and that was all, no herds of any kind. the area is way too thick with too much dead-fall. we hiked in 3 miles in to wilderness area to camp and walked 18 miles over 4 days. Waste of time to hunt in this area. Only saw 1 other hunter and he had seen 2 elk.