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We have hunted over the counter many many many years, and have done pretty good, 3 5x5"s, and some good deer. 2 years ago in Marshall Area, was Bow hunting and saw the biggest Elk I have ever laid eyes on. A perfect 6x6 and my brother and I estimated 360-370 class. My brother had filled his tag opening morning of Muzzle with a small 5x5, and I had been there 4 days before hunting Bow OTC. That big son of a gun came in to 80 yards and stood there behind small trees just lookin. Did not get a shot, but that was a really nice bull... And like you said, it was over the counter unit, bow for me. I spoke to an outfitter I know in Craig, and he told me a couple of hours ago that the tags there, if you can get one, and he felt like he could, would be around $5,000.00, holey moley. Thats alot of green backs!!!!! Going to keep trying like you suggest, and if we don't draw this year, which I doubt, we are going over the counter, and the next year try to purchase landowner.
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Mike,
Keep in mind that purchasing a landowner tag does NOT mean that you have permission to hunt on that private land. You may still be limited to public access land. I'm not familiar w/unit 2, that may not be a problem. IMO, it really sucks that the licenses are given to the landowner, he/she then turns around and sells the tag for 5K or more and then does not have to allow the buyer to hunt their property!

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I hear you on that. Charlie Mead told me the same thing, and he also told me he thinks the tag is property sensitive, in other words, you can only hunt that land in which the tag was issued for. What a mess there right now. I love being there, I have family in Lamar, and Steamboat, and I go as ofen as we can. I am going to hold on for the unit I want, and Charlie told me when we do draw, if we don't do the Landowner Tag thing, that he has permission on several Privates as well to hunt. I just hope my dad is able to handle. He 65 and in good shape, but not for a hard core pack in anymore. Today has been enlighting and I appreciate all the imput, I really do.
Michael

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The landowner tags are for specific units and you're right, they can specify that you only hunt the public land within that unit and not allow you on their private ranch. That always seemed very strange to me. Seems like the land owner should be required to allow the hunter that pays the big $$$ for the tag to hunt on his land. Some do and some don't. Yeah 5K seems to be about the going price for an elk land owner tag (in units 2 or 201) however if you're interested in muleys or pronghorn, they can go for as little as $500. All depends on the land owner and how many tags they get, and if they're able to sell them all. Most of the ranchers don't consider the mule deer and pronghorn tags as desirable, which is crazy since those units produce awesome mule deer and pronghorn antelope. There is something unique about that area, it produces trophies in all species.

Unit 2 gets so little pressure, that even the public land would be good hunting.

Flyfishn since you have family in Lamar you should check out units 128 & 133. I've heard of some huge 360+ elk out of that area, particularly around Walsenburg.

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Mike,
Make sure and re-read the posts. Purchasing a landowner voucher entitles you to a license for that unit. With that license you can hunt public land. Puchasing the voucher does NOT grant you access to private land. Permission has to be obtained to hunt the private land. The license is good throughout the unit.

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As promised, here is the response I received from the DOW on this issue:

At this moment there are no other plans for similar meetings. Keep checking the DOW website for announcements and if further meetings are scheduled the information will be posted online.

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Link to an article about the landowner voucher issue

http://www.denverpost.com/charlie/ci_3220587

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I found this very interesting analysis of the proposed expansion of the landowner pilot program that the wildlife commission will be discussing at their meeting on Dec. 8.

http://wildlife.state.co.us/WildlifeCommission/2005/Dec/Landowner%20Pilo...

The brief summary is that the DOW biologists are recommending that the pilot not be expanded. They provide very solid reasoning on pages 4 and 5 of the document. The landowners and their groups are lobbying for an ever increasing amount of the limited tags be given to them.
I also have another link that shows that landowners are looking to grab more free license vouchers that they can sell to the highest bidder. Look towards the bottom of this press release to see that they are going to press ahead with their "third program".
http://www.colofb.com/html/news/newsline_detail.php?nid=472

As I have said before, the landowners will not stop until they have 100% control of all the licenses.

It will be interesting to see who the wildlife commission listens to, the wildlife biologists and their scientific analysis or the landowners and their welfare mentality.

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This is a very interesting article regarding how the landowners are working toward getting as many licenses as possible.

http://www.denverpost.com/rec/ci_3317486

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