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  or to make it a little

 

or to make it a little simpler, anyone can split their points but it cost one point each time you do so.

       I like the idea of a "collect 10 points get the 11th free" as a reward for long term point collecting, but it would be difficult to implement with so many people having 10 or more points right now, would probably just be point creep for the high point units and unfair to those who have already collected if it just started at zero going forward from now.

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Getting a extra point for

Getting a extra point for longievity the system isn't a new idea.  Arizona already does it with what they call a loyalty point and they also give a point for their hunter saftey course.  So after what ever number of years that they consider appropriate which I think is 5 years you get a extra bonus point in the draw for that animal that you are putting in for, so after 5 years you go into the draw with a maximum 7 points.

Now for the cost of putting in all the family members, that is what the kids need jobs for.  I remember when I was 15 and to hunt big game you had to be 16 I saved money from my lawn mowing jobs to get the money for the tags that I wanted, but then deer and elk were over the counter but the draws were for bison, moose, goats, and sheep.  But I knew that if I wanted to hunt or put in for the draws that I had better save up my candy money so that I could afford to put in for the draws. 

 

But then as I said before, there is no simple answer to make everyone happy

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I'm one of those guys(17

I'm one of those guys(17 points) I am getting sick of chasing points for the NW units. When I started putting in for a trophy hunt I was 15 years old and I believe you could draw a  NW unit with around 7 points. I thought I would be able to draw in my early 20's... now I'm in my mid 30's and I'm still a few years out.

I wish they would let us bank our points again so I could hunt a 5 point unit 3 years in a row. I don't think it would be "unfair". I have friends my age that have hunted 40 and 61 a few times. I have payed for my PP every year and missed out on some good hunts because I didn't want to waste points. 

I know the 5 to 10 point units would see a surge in apps and faster point creep the first few years, but once the high point holders spend all there points it would lower the overall PP required for limited hunts.

untill then I will happily kill OTC archery elk each year and perfect my skills for the day I finally draw

 

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I agree with wooduckman and was talking about this with some people the other day. If you have accumulated say 10 points, you should be able to use any number of those points and still have the remainder left. you earned the points, why should you have to blow them all at once?? For example, you have 10 points and you are saving for 15. You find out that some of your buddies, family, etc are planning a hunt in an area that takes 3 points to draw. You should be able to take 3 of your points to try to draw that tag. If you do, now you have 7 points left. If you don't draw it, then you get a point and now have 11. Makes sense to me.

It used to be this way. Not sure why, but they dropped it. I doubt it will ever come back.

Personally, I don't think a NR should be able to just buy points. If you want to save points to hunt the premium units. Come here, and hunt your 2nd pick when you get a point.

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I would think the reason they

I would think the reason they make people pay up front is that it's easier then sending a bill to people after they draw a tag.  People move, mail gets lost, and credit cards get declined.  I know in many industries, 10-20% of the people not paying their bills by the due date for whatever reason is par for the course.  If they don't pay, then what does CPW do with that tag?  Seems like a receipe for a lot of angry people.  Especially for units that have very few tags.       

Having said that, if you're putting in for preference points only it seems a lot better for all involved to only charge the application fee. 

 

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The states that you pay after

The states that you pay after the draw do it only with credit or debit cards and if the card is declined the company that is doing the billing will try and contact the owner of the card two or three times before they move the tag to the next person in line for the tag. 

The problem with a person not paying their credit card bill would be between the credit card company and the person that is a dead beat. 

It would be nice if all you plan on doing is applying for a PP then to just charge the application fee and letting it go at that.  One thing that I would like to see is just how much interest the state makes off of the tag fees that they refund after a couple of months.  Now in my case I applied in February and they can draw interest on my money for 3 1/2 months.  Multiply that by how many hunters put in for that tag and it would and does add up.

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To the common folk like us,

To the common folk like us, of course we'd put the money in an interest bearing account. But the government probably has no such common sense and just puts the money in a general operating account (like your checking account) that doesn't pay any interest at all.

I wouldn't mind it near so much if I thought the CPW actually got a benefit from collecting the money and keeping it for the better part of 3 months.

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Paying after the draw

Critter wrote:

The states that you pay after the draw do it only with credit or debit cards and if the card is declined the company that is doing the billing will try and contact the owner of the card two or three times before they move the tag to the next person in line for the tag. 

The problem with a person not paying their credit card bill would be between the credit card company and the person that is a dead beat. 

It would be nice if all you plan on doing is applying for a PP then to just charge the application fee and letting it go at that.  One thing that I would like to see is just how much interest the state makes off of the tag fees that they refund after a couple of months.  Now in my case I applied in February and they can draw interest on my money for 3 1/2 months.  Multiply that by how many hunters put in for that tag and it would and does add up.

Thanks for that info on other States.  It sounds like they contract out the billing?

It would be great if the CPW were making interest on the money and using it for wildlife related programs.  Some people have super strong feelings about "free loans" to the government though so maybe it's not politically viable.

 

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Only points for one species.

Sorry, I am a little late on this but I have a few points to throw out there. I am with COMeatHunter on not allowing the points to be split. I believe that the purpose of any changes needs to be focused on decreasing point creep. I believe that this would dramatically increase point creep on the lower point units and only help marginally on the higher units. As COMeatHunter pointed out there are a vast amount of peolpe with 15 or more points and not nearly enough tags to go around. It would take thousands of these people jumping out to make a difference.

I am split on the money up front, in that it is affective at keeping people from apply for everyone and there dog but it also hurts the average joe that does not have enough money to front for himself and his imediate family. I knew a guy, in Utah, who had a brother-in-law that put all of his family (I am talking brothers, sisters and all of the in-laws)in for Manti rifle tags. At the time the fee was only $5 and my friend drew a tag, when he had never hunted in his life. The brother-in-law just loved to elk hunt and at one time was putting applications in for 12 different individuals. If he had been forced to front the full license fee, that would have decreased the applicant pool by 11. In Colorado, where you know when you have a chance to draw, this type of person can just buy points for all his relatives and then start fronting the full fee when the persons have a chance of drawing. I believe that a possible solution would be to require that the individual front the fee for the most expensive license and then just pay the application fee for the other species.

I know that there will be some backlash but what if they made it so that you can only get a preference point for one species? I am new to Colorado and I am in my mid 30s. The chances that I draw a sheep/goat tag or a premium deer or elk tag, while I can still walk, is almost a statistical impossiblity. Even the chance that one of my kids will get one, is getting pretty dicey. This type of system will make it more likely for hunters to get at least one premium tag in there life time.

Whatever happens we need to protect the hunting opportunities this state provides. In Utah, the wealthy, trophy crowds are always pushing for cuts in tags and for additional limited entry units. These groups have been sucessful in convincing many average joes that when they draw a tag, they are entitled to a 350+ bull. They have used this to push for tag cuts from the draw, while many of their members buy tags through the auctions and hunt whenever they want. This leaves the rest to wait until they win the big game lottery. Many of these types mock Colorado as the rag horn state. I would rather hunt ever year, with a chance of getting a raghorn, than wait my entire life for one chance at a 350+ bull.

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Blabster, one nice thing

Blabster, one nice thing about Colorado is that you can hunt for that raghorn every year while you are still accumulating preference points.  I am just cashing in my 17 elk points this year for a ML hunt in unit 61 and have hunted elk both cows and bulls every year that I have gained a point.  It is just playing the point game and draws correctly.  It is also nice that here in Colorado that you can hunt branch antlered bulls on OTC tags unlike Utah's limited any bull areas.  I guess that you can say that the units that take 10+ points are LE hunts but unlike Utahs bonus point system you know that someone with 0 or very few points are going to draw that tag before you do.  That is reserved for the moose, sheep, and rocky mountain goats hunts since you need 3 preference points go get into the draw pool and then it is bonus points from there on out. 

I believe that I read that you are in Grand Junction and if you are there are some great hunts on OTC tags for bulls in units 31, 30, and 21 that will rival the Utah Book Cliffs. 

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