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I completely agree with not

I completely agree with not charging the full fee when applying for just a PP, seems stupid. Also, what about a system where the number of preference points you have equals the number of times your name gets thrown in the hat so to speak. That way everyone has a chance to draw any tag every year, but with more preference points you have a better probability. I also would be interested in being able to split preference points up. If you're 60 and have 20 elk points, why not take 10 this year and 10 next year and get two great hunts. Or 5, 5, 5, and 5 for the next 4 years?

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I agree with wooduckman and

I agree with wooduckman and was talking about this with some people the other day. If you have accumulated say 10 points, you should be able to use any number of those points and still have the remainder left. you earned the points, why should you have to blow them all at once?? For example, you have 10 points and you are saving for 15. You find out that some of your buddies, family, etc are planning a hunt in an area that takes 3 points to draw. You should be able to take 3 of your points to try to draw that tag. If you do, now you have 7 points left. If you don't draw it, then you get a point and now have 11. Makes sense to me.

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Carrying over extra points

jeeo787 wrote:
I agree with wooduckman and was talking about this with some people the other day. If you have accumulated say 10 points, you should be able to use any number of those points and still have the remainder left. you earned the points, why should you have to blow them all at once?? For example, you have 10 points and you are saving for 15. You find out that some of your buddies, family, etc are planning a hunt in an area that takes 3 points to draw. You should be able to take 3 of your points to try to draw that tag. If you do, now you have 7 points left. If you don't draw it, then you get a point and now have 11. Makes sense to me.

I think that would be very popular and not that hard (for the computer programmers) to implement.  Does anyone see any negatives?

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Kind of like bidding for tags

Kind of like bidding for tags with your points? I can appreciate how long some folks have waited to use their points, but I don't agree that it's fair for those with large numbers of points to shift gears and decide to use part of their points multiple years. Collecting PP's is a tricky business and you get to stand in line once for your first choice. That's fair.  If you decide not to play the PP game anymore, then make your choice wisely and enjoy your hunt.

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Can you expand on that?  I'm

Can you expand on that?  I'm not sure why it would be unfair to others in the system? If someone puts in the effort to apply for points 10 years running.  Then his buddies invite him on a group hunt in a GMU that only takes 3 points he should have to burn all  of his 10 points?

btw- Sorry I haven't acknowledged all the good ideas presented so far.  Not enough time in the day.  I am reading each post carefully and trying to understand all the different perspective.

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Sure.  I can expand on

Sure.  I can expand on that.

There are already way too many PP’s in the system for the number of tags requiring PP’s.  Allowing so many points to spend their way backward through the system will likely increase point inflation for hunts across the entire spectrum.  For example, right now there are roughly 7000 elk hunters (both resident & non-resident) with 15 points or more.  The number of elk tags requiring 15+ points is only about 170 each year.  Doing the math reflects what everyone already knows.  Many of those hunters probably won’t ever draw one of those 170 tags.

 

I look at it as standing in line and waiting for my turn to draw a tag.  Personally, I wouldn’t want those who are ahead of me in line to be able to get their first choice and then get back in line ahead of me...over and over.  I’ve also saved PP’s and one of the hardest parts of using them is trying to find a hunt that requires close to the number of points I had.  If I have 10 points, then I don’t want to spend them on a hunt that only requires 4-5 because it makes me feel like I’m “wasting” my hard earned points.

 

It sounds kind of selfish for me to not want those ahead of me to “maximize” their points by using them for multiple first choice hunts.  But what if I asked the question in reverse, what’s unfair about someone using 10 points to join his buddies on a 3 point hunt?  Why not put in for a cow tag as a second choice?  If you’re collecting points for your once-in-a-lifetime hunt you will obviously be making hard choices and sacrifices for many years while collecting those points.  

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Sure.  I can expand on that.

There are already way too many PP’s in the system for the number of tags requiring PP’s.  Allowing so many points to spend their way backward through the system will likely increase point inflation for hunts across the entire spectrum.  For example, right now there are roughly 7000 elk hunters (both resident & non-resident) with 15 points or more.  The number of elk tags requiring 15+ points is only about 170 each year.  Doing the math reflects what everyone already knows.  Many of those hunters probably won’t ever draw one of those 170 tags.

 

I look at it as standing in line and waiting for my turn to draw a tag.  Personally, I wouldn’t want those who are ahead of me in line to be able to get their first choice and then get back in line ahead of me...over and over.  I’ve also saved PP’s and one of the hardest parts of using them is trying to find a hunt that requires close to the number of points I had.  If I have 10 points, then I don’t want to spend them on a hunt that only requires 4-5 because it makes me feel like I’m “wasting” my hard earned points.

 

It sounds kind of selfish for me to not want those ahead of me to “maximize” their points by using them for multiple first choice hunts.  But what if I asked the question in reverse, what’s unfair about someone using 10 points to join his buddies on a 3 point hunt?  Why not put in for a cow tag as a second choice?  If you’re collecting points for your once-in-a-lifetime hunt you will obviously be making hard choices and sacrifices for many years while collecting those points.  

 

Ok, I got it now.  Some of those guys have enough points to grab one of the really good units (not top echelon of course) 2 years in a row.  It all comes back to not enough premium tags for the number of people applying as you said.  Intuitively it seems like allowing people to keep extra points would help with the point creep.  I also wonder how many people with 15+ points would stop accumulating points and start snatching up a ton of the say 5 point hunts.  

 

 

 

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COMeatHunter, I see your

COMeatHunter, I see your point and that makes sense, but at the same time I think it could just as likely work to decrease the large number of hunters currently sitting with a large number of points. If you have been waiting for years building points and finally get frustrated with all the waiting, if you could burn points on lesser hunts without losing all your points then a lot of people might do that, which would open up more spots for those who have been saving points and want to keep saving for a 'premier' tag. Of course if there are people with say, 12 points who decide to split them up three years in a row on hunts that take 4 points, then the guy who has been saving for 4 years will have more people to contend with in his 4 point draw......its a tough one, I think there are definitely pros and cons on both sides of this one. I still think if I had a vote I would say let people who have earned the points be able to split them up if they want. If you have 12 points and want to join friends on their hunt that takes 4 points, why not? You've accumulated the points, in this case you'd still lose 4 points and go back to 8, and someone with 12 points was probably saving them with something specific in mind, so its still a detriment to whatever they were saving for and a win/lose decision to make.

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I agree, it would likely

I agree, it would likely decrease the huge glut of points at the high end of the spectrum.  Unfortunately, it would inflate the lower point hunts by 1-2 points, maybe more, for several years while all of those points were spending themselves backward through the system.  What's good for those at the top wouldn't be good for others at the bottom....and there's 20 times more hunters at the bottom of the of the PP system than there is at the top.

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not to make things even more

not to make things even more confusing and convoluted, but a solution that might touch on both sides of the argument would be something like; you can split up your accumulated points, but it cost you 1 point each time you split them.  Or a hunter can enter a PP program where you are not allowed to split your points, and on your 10th point you earn an extra point.  so there would be a penalty for splitting points but you could do it, and you would get a reward for a long time period of collecting points.  something like this would allow people who have spent the time collecting points to split them, but also wouldn't result in as many of them 'jumping ship' and splitting their points if there was a 'bonus' for long term point collection.

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