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Colorado Preference Points

I was invited to a small focus group by CPW to discuss the preference point system.  I have my own views, but wanted to get a discussion started on what people thinking is working well and what could be improved upon.  So do you think the current system is fair or would you like to see it changed.  And if so, how?

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No system is fair for all

No system is fair for all that are in it but it is one of the better ones out there.  It is sad that to hunt a few of the better areas you have to start putting in for them when you are in your 20's so that you might be able to draw that tag when you reach your 40's or early 50's.  I drew a deer tag a couple of years ago that took 14 points and I had 16 and this year I should draw my elk tag for unit 61 that takes 14 or 15 points and I have 17 for it.  My only problem is that I am now in my 60's and need to draw the tags that I want while I can still enjoy the hunts. 

The only thing that I can really think of as far as points are conserned is to perhaps make the sheep, mountain goat, and moose hunts once in a lifetime hunts.  The way that it is now there is a possibility that a hunter could draw two of those hunts for one animal just a few years apart.  Kind of unlikely but it could and has happened.  I have a friend that has drawn 2 goat permits while I am still waiting on my first one. 

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Moose

Bull Moose is a one time deal. What I hate is kids putting in now will not hunt until they are 50-60. Weighted points area crock since they give you a number to start out with. If you get a high number your 13 weighted points will be out drawn with a guy with 1 who got a low number. how are these numbers issued? I always thought of just making 6 point or better units. Probably EE and would take no more then 2 points to draw. Have to have less cows if you are going to grow more bulls past our 2and a half year olds now. Would put more pressure on older bulls, but there will be more to breed as I would change Seasons where there is minimal pressure during the rutt. We are suppose to be managing wildlife anyway right.

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Critter, With the population

Critter,

With the population growth (humans not game) I think once in a lifetime is inevitable. Maybe they've considered it already but are leary of the backlash it might bring. 

BleuBijou,

I've never understood that random number scheme fully.  I definitely could use some insight on how that actually works in practice. 

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Moose

AuroraRifleman wrote:

Critter,

With the population growth (humans not game) I think once in a lifetime is inevitable. Maybe they've considered it already but are leary of the backlash it might bring. 

BleuBijou,

I've never understood that random number scheme fully.  I definitely could use some insight on how that actually works in practice. 

One bull moose in your lifetime is already in place, and has been for awhile.

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I think Colorado's preference

I think Colorado's preference point system, in general, is about as fair as it gets.  The youth preference is great but it would be a big improvement to have more either-sex or bull/buck opportunities for kids.  That gets kind of tricky and it would probably be best to exclude the hunt codes that are hybrid draw eligible.  But, there are many other hunt codes that currently require 1-3 points for bull/bucks and to provide youth preference would likely only inflate those codes by half a point for general public applicants.  Big upside for kids with a small downside for the general public.  

The weighted preference point system is terrible.  Might as well just make it a straight up random draw.  Wyoming's system of having both a preference point and random draw (which is twice the price for tags) concurrently seems better to me.  Not sure Colorado has the tag numbers to do something like this.  When you have so many hunters applying for such a small number of tags it's pretty hard to have a fair preference point system.

Lastly, I think it's kind of stupid to have to "purchase" a license when just applying for preference points.  To charge applicants the full tag price puts a big drag on cash flow.  Looks a lot like a loan to the CPW from my perspective and probably costs the state a significant amount when issuing all of the refunds by check for unsuccessful applicants.  Why not just charge an application fee and then hit the credit card for a successful draw?  

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Agreed

I second what CoMeathunter said. My sons are 12 and 14. The three of us decided to put in for moose PP thinking that maybe I'll get lucky in 15 yrs or so,  but they should eventually get drawn. But when I had to drop $750+ for the pts we opted out. Even though we get a refund, that's a lot of cash. Not to mention if we wanted to go for Bighorn or Mtn. Goat, then we'd be up over $2K just for pts. Wonder how many others end up doing the same and miss out on the "once in a lifetime" type hunts.

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I think preference points are

I think preference points are a good system. That being said until I moved to colorado, hunting here just wasn't economically feasable. Now I'm in my early thirties and live on the front range. I have come to realize that even if I start applying for prefrence points from here on I may never acquire enough points to hunt a trophy elk unit in this state. Something about that just doesn't seem right does it? I could undersrand 10 points to hunt one of these units....that's a decade of prefrence point revenue and OTC hunting for the opportunity to hunt one of these areas. I understand guys with 20+ points laugh at ten, but when is enough enough. The system literally does make these elk units once in a lifetime hunts...if you got into the system in your twenties. Those like myself look at it as a hunt that is completely unobtainable. My thoughts are cap the required points and draw the unit. Must have ten points to apply. With units already at 17-20 points now where will they be by the time hunters like myself acquire 20 points? 30? 35? So if my son is to have a chance at hunting elk in a trophy unit I dhould start apllying for his points as soon as legally possible and give up on my own chances.

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Couldnt agree more on having

Couldnt agree more on having to send in full price for points....what's the point? The PP is going to cost me 20 why not charge 20 for the point and be done? Seems pretty petty for me to send CPW full funds for the next 30 years for them to take 20 out of it and send it back later. If you start adding other hard to draw tags such as sheep, goat, and moose tags it turns out I'm sending CPW a grand for them to give me some points and send me back 900. Why not just charge me the 100 from the get go? The only thing I can think of is that not everyone has a thousand dollars laying around that they want to have floating around in limbo and that keeps apllications down somewhat.

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With having to pay the full

With having to pay the full price for a tag in the draw is a plus from where I look at it.  Utah did it that way for years and then they went to pay after the tag is drawn.  The year that they did that the applications almost doubled.  Every one put in for a hunt on just the chance that they might draw a tag for one of the once in a life time hunts or liminted entry deer or elk hunts.  As a resident of Colorado it doesn't bother me to pay the full price for deer or elk since I hunted them every year that I was gaining preference points but the tags that I drew were second and third choices. 

 

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For the record, I don't mind

For the record, I don't mind paying full price for the tag when I apply for a tag. I just think they could streamline those applications that only put in for a PP and just charge them an application fee. They end up keeping my $3 but have to do a bunch of accounting, issue a check, mail a check and then account for me actually depositing the check. And what if I lose my check and ask for another to be issued? That's another significant cost. I'd be willing to bet $3 doesn't even come close to covering the cost of issuing the refund.

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