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Location: Powderhorn, Colorado
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First of all, NR's get UP TO 40% of all licenses issued. Residents get 60%plus, in a totally limited draw unit, or in seasons where it is limited, like first rifle season in a OTC unit. Now I said 40% for NR but it is more like 30%. The key word here is"UP TO" This is fair I think to residents. Also one preference point that a resident holds is worth a lot more weight than a NR preference point. I think this is still fair to residents too. So you see, residents in colorado are treated with much more preference than NR hunters with hunting licenses. This is the way it should be and is fair too.
I operate as an outfitter to provide a service to folks who otherwise would not be able to do it on their own and figure out the country. It is not all about money but a truely loved profession. If I went to Europe or Hawaii, I would not do it on my own, but hire a travel service and sigh seeing guide, so I could enjoy the total experience. Outfitting is basically the same thing. I provide a service. some want it, some don't ,and I surely don't push it on anybody who wants to hunt on their own.
I operate in a totally draw license unit and the elk herd is at objective size according to the DOW as far as numbers, and cows to bull ratio. We do not have an excess of elk here like they do in the Northwest corner of Colorado.
Why screw up a perfectly good system they at the present have?
95% of your NR's are not going to do this deal with "cows" they will go to other States or hang up their gun permenately. If this happens, it is going to 'BITE" the resident hunter for sure down the road.
Last I heard they may pick certain units or DAU's and go ahead with this plan. They can leave my area alone, since there is not an excess of elk here, but just right ,due to good game management.

JLM
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Location: Colorado
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Residents get 60% in the 1st choice drawing, after that we are equal to the Nonresidents. Out of "our" 60% comes the 15% that private landowners get, many of which get vouchers which they sell to Nonresidents and Outfitters that sell them to Nonresidents, so do we really get close to 70% of the tags.

In other states, Residents get anywhere from 80 to 100% of all tags, not just 1st choice like here which really screws the Resident hunter that wants to build up his/her pref. points for a quality GMU, and then has to try and draw a crappy unit for deer or an over crowded OTC Elk area.

I understand where the outfitters are coming from, but I only get a week to hunt so naturally I want it to be the best it can be with better odds at drawing a good tag and less crowded conditions.

What "Joe Public hunter" wouldn't want that ?

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Location: Pennsylvania
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Blah,Blah,Blah!
Keep your stupid hunting for yourselves!
With the prices I would have to pay.....It almost seems like hunting in England!

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Location: Colorado
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If you're willing to hunt a cow, the opportunities for elk hunting in Colorado are greater and cheaper for non-residents than any other state in this country. If you want a bull, the opportunities are a little less and the cost a little higher, but still as good as anywhere else.

Or does your state give away big game licenses to non-residents?

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Location: Missouri
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Well
Swollen Tongue
You made some sense.
I will never come to Colorado to hunt unless it's the last place on earth for my boys to hunt. Then I may.
I am glad you talk about management. That is most of the future of hunting. The rest is the people and their way of thinking. Once the hunting heritage is lost from our young folks then the rest is irrelivant.
As far as the guide business goes,,,,,as long as it's not monopolized and mandatory then I have a positive outlook. Other than that, I don't think much of "Having" to hire non choice guides because it is their area.
If I want to hire a local resident to pack out something or help me get somewhere then I should be able to. Not told I have to hire the area outfitter.

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Location: Pennsylvania
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donmillion wrote:
If you're willing to hunt a cow, the opportunities for elk hunting in Colorado are greater and cheaper for non-residents than any other state in this country. If you want a bull, the opportunities are a little less and the cost a little higher, but still as good as anywhere else.

Or does your state give away big game licenses to non-residents?

No......I'm not willing to hunt a cow!
Colorado is an awsome state but its cheaper for me to hunt in a different country than it is to hunt there!

Compaired to the cost of Colorado licenses....yeah I'd say my state gives them away!
In Pa (my new state/since March) For $101 you can hunt every open season all tags included. For about $25 you can buy extra deer tags too! I have been a very satisfied "non-resident" hunter there every year for the past 20 years.
I have been to Colorado............I'll take Pennsylvania any day!
Personally I enjoy the hardwood forests more than what I saw there. (I know I didn't see it all but, after being there for 10 days.....I was ready for my home turf)
NJ.....Now thats a different story altogether you'll have to cough up way more money $135 (NR) to hunt all the open seasons and you'll have to spend a whole $28 for a extra deer permit but, that only allows you to hunt an extra buck (you can take 2 on the original license) and unlimited does (2 at a time). Something like 70 days of firearm deer seasons
Enough of my crap.....I don't even know why I jumped into this conversation anyway!
Good day!

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Location: Colorado
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Every open season for $101 in Pennsylvania? I don't think so. I checked and found that a non-resident elk license in Penn. costs $250. Surprise, surprise! You can get a non-resident elk license in Colorado for EXACTLY the same price!

Okay, so you don't want to come to Colorado unless you can hunt a bull. Well, sorry, but the Colorado DOW is responsible for properly managing the elk herd and that requires taking cows. You don't want to help then you'll have to pay more. Seems entirely reasonable to me. You don't like it and want to stay home? That's fine too. I'd rather have a dozen non-residents who are interested in hunting and helping to manage the herd come to Colorado than to have one non-resident who isn't interested in anything but how big of a bull he can take.

As far as I can tell, these regulations are working exactly the way they should, and the prices are all extremely reasonable and perfectly in line with what other states are charging.

JLM
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Location: Colorado
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PA hunting isn't all that, cause if it were there wouldn't be so many hunters from PA hunting Colorado each Fall. eye roll

Aside from that, my wife is from PA and her family tells me how you cant hunt on Sunday's, a Spike buck is a good buck and a forked horn is a trophy buck, how you are never more than 10 yards from the next hunter, the additional Doe tag is not a sure thing, etc, etc....

I know they have a new point restriction in place and some Ph.d thats supposed to turn the herd around

As for Elk, can I just stroll into a Wal-Mart and buy a tag ???

NOT

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Location: Pennsylvania
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I never said Pa was a trophy hunters state (the way you see it) I only said I like it more! There are plenty of 8 and 10 pt. bucks produced by my hunting party and many others.
The best day of the year by far! is opening day of Pa riffle deer season. If you hunted in the areas I hunt. You would see about 50 to 60 deer on that day (sounds unbielevable....it is wild!). Your family needs a new hunting spot!
I didn't mention the elk because I feel that it is impossible to draw one of the 30 or so tags available......period. There is no real elk hunting in Pa as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't waste the $10 on the application fee. I would reather see the herd grow for 10 more years but, they are a big animal so the DNR doesn't want to be resonsible for that much more damage. They have a limited amount of range too.
This state offers more variety and thier is hunting year round and on sundays if you count coyotes and crows (probobly a few more too). Oh and they are trapper friendly too.....proving that they support sound wildlife management and not bowing to political pressure.
It's not my intention to insult you or your state. I simply feel its over priced.

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Location: Pennsylvania
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By the way $250 is half price when you are talking about bull tags. The herd is young and just starting up and requires a lot of financial support......thats why it costs so much. Crop damage and law enforcement make up most of the financial burdon.
Whats Colorados reason for the price? just curious.

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