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Aren't G1&G2 both "brow tines" b/c "located on the lower half"??

 

I know this is an old thread, but I’m trying to understand the nuances of a legal CO OTC bull. 

 On p. 28 of the 2013 CPW Big Game Handbook, the illustration points to both G1 projections and labels them “brow tines”.  However, in other/older CPW literature, I have seen that exact same illustration with BOTH G1 & G2 pointed at as brown tines (i.e. all 4 lowest tines are considered brown tines).

 Also note, the Colorado regulation on this issue states this:

“Brow tine” means a projection of the antler at least five (5) inches long located on the lower half of the antler.

 CPW manual p. 28 adds “it (brow tine) usually starts no more than 8 inches from the animal’s skull”.  But the reg only says “lower half”.

 

Wouldn’t a “typical” branch antlered bull havea total of 4 points starting on the lower half of the main beams (i.e. both G1s & G2s for 4 points total)? 

 And in the illustration on p. 28, the G2s most definitely start on lower half of the main beams.  So, why doesn’t CPW label the G2s as brow tines?   They certainly could have, correct? 

 Stated otherwise, would you shoot a 3x4 raghorn when his G1s are less than 5 inches but his G2s (starting on lower half of main beam) are greater than 5 inches? 

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You read that correctly

Yes, you read that correctly, it takes an exceptionally odd raghorn to not meet the legal definition in the 4 point rule. And yes, G2s could be measured as well. But with a 3x4, you already have four points. And only 1 of the four potential "brow tines" needs to make the 5 inch minimum, not four out of the 8 on a 4x4.

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Either sex tag

Where I hunt whitetail, A spike with antlers less than 3" is concidered a doe. So if I have an either sex elk tag, can i shout a spike with less than 4" brow tines?

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That's not a spike. You can shoot a bull with a less than 5 inch antler as a cow, but if it has antlers it must either have 4 points or at least a 5 inch brow tine.

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The rules are still

The rules are still confusing. Look at the 4 point rule. It says: "Four Point Rule Bull elk taken in all seasons must have four points or more on one side, or a brow tine of at least 5 inches long." Then it lists all the GMU units this applies to. It's saying four points on one side, or a 5" tine. To me that means you don't need four points at all as long as it has a 5" tine. Then it lists all the other units that have no point restrictions, but they still have the 5" tine restriction. Did they word this wrong, or have they said there's no point restriction for the whole state as long as you have a 5" tine?

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Yes it should be called the raghorn rule, not the four point rule. And in units where the rule is not in effect you have to have 5 inches of antler, just like a deer in order to be considered antlered otherwise people would be shooting button bucks and baby calves or ground truthing cows. It's not reasonable to expect someone to see less than 5 inches of antler.

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DOW told us different

This has been a very interesting thread to read. Ironically my dad and uncle were told the exact opposite by the DOW. They just returned from a DIY elk hunt a week or so ago and before going called Colorado DOW about this very issue. My uncle said word for word "So since it says OR in the book then I would be allowed to shoot a 3 pt bull as long as one brow tine was 5 inches"? The DOW rep who responded said "then my friend, you would be arrested"! They forcefully told them they cannot shoot any bull unless it has 4 points on one side no ifs ands or buts. Wish I knew who they talked to so we could explain to them how wrong they were the same way they explained this to us.

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Whoever you talked to was wrong

It is an "either or" rule. You can shoot a 3 point with 5 inch brow tines.

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Do not

Do not go by just one DOW employee. My experience is you would get 3 different answers if you asked 3 different employees. Here what Exbiologist is saying. If you have a bull tag in a 4 point restricted unit, you can shoot a bull if has at least one brow longer then 5 inches.. if you shoot a bull that has 4 points on one side it doesn't matter the brow length because you already have met the criteria. If you shoot a bull that has at least a 5 inch brow and is a 3x3 or 2x3 or 1x3 or 1x2 you are good. If the DOW officer writes you up for doing so, gladly sign the ticket. You are in the right by the definition given in the brochure and will not be prosecuted.

If you shoot a bull on a cow tag it can't have horn growth out of the top of it's head of 5 inches. Has to be less than 5 inches. Basically a button bull.

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Well stated

and I agree.

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