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If anybody sees a spike with

If anybody sees a spike with a 5" brow tine, I want to see the pictures or it didn't happen.  Big smile

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Here ya go !

bitmasher,

Check out the spike in the middle Thumbs up If the point was not broken it would almost be 5 inches.

Guys if in doubt do not pull the trigger. I actually got ticketed for this when I was 19 years old and the point was an 1/8 of an inch of being legal. As stated a point has to be at least one inch and LONGER THAN IT IS WIDE AT THE BASE and that is where he got me. At the time it cost me $959 and 15 points off my hunter safety card and yes I did fight it and took it to court 3 different times. The judge did not agree with it, but could not do much, but he did knock off the surcharge (which the DOW gets) of $259. The part that really sucked is the game warden had the power to only charge me $69 and let me keep him or give me the max which he did. That same year a sherrif shot a 6 point bull and had a cow tag and received the minimum. angry

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Photo proof

Well there you go.  Confused I figured it was possible, just not very likely.

Like you say, if in doubt, just don't shoot.  Its just not worth it.

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there you have it

elkkill06 wrote:

bitmasher,

Check out the spike in the middle Thumbs up If the point was not broken it would almost be 5 inches.

Guys if in doubt do not pull the trigger. I actually got ticketed for this when I was 19 years old and the point was an 1/8 of an inch of being legal. As stated a point has to be at least one inch and LONGER THAN IT IS WIDE AT THE BASE and that is where he got me. At the time it cost me $959 and 15 points off my hunter safety card and yes I did fight it and took it to court 3 different times. The judge did not agree with it, but could not do much, but he did knock off the surcharge (which the DOW gets) of $259. The part that really sucked is the game warden had the power to only charge me $69 and let me keep him or give me the max which he did. That same year a sherrif shot a 6 point bull and had a cow tag and received the minimum. angry

There you have it. I should have known that Elkkill06 would be the one to show it happens. He's seen his fair share of wapiti. I always love seeing pictures of the walls in your house... you're going to need to start putting some more up (walls that is). Cool picture and thanks for posting it.

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brow tine, eye guard

Unlike some states, Colorado considers both the brow tine point and eye guard point to be brow tines.

I believe the brow tine is a recent addition to the antler point restriction rule.  I think the old rule just said 4 points and the brow tine length helped clear it up some.

There is a term you sometimes hear to describe satellite bulls in Colorado called 'margin bulls'.  It has a sort of a double meaning.  They are the young bulls kept on the margins of the herd by the herd bull, but they also tend to be right on the margin of what is legal.  Most of them are right in this 3-4 point antler point range. 

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Colorado legal elk

Just to let you know last year I shot a 3 X 3 bull with 10.5" brow tines. They are out there but good advise is to practice judging. Fortunatly I had about 10 min. to look this guy over and determined by his brow tines that he was legal. Good eating!

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brow tine

I think the 5" brow tine rule has been around a while. From my experience, you won't get cut much, if any slack by the DOW. I got a hunter orange violation. Long story short, my hunting partner and I were hunting MZ season and had just finished up our last morning hunt. We were hiking up the hill out of a deep basin and it was close to 70 degrees. We were sweating bullets coming out of that hole, walking right up the middle of the road, talking in a normal voice with our guns over our shoulders. We had stripped down to t-shirts because of the heat. Our season was done. Down the road comes Mr. DOW on an ATV. He asks us if we had a cap on our guns. We did. We had failed to take the cap off the nipple. Without hesitation he wrote out two tickets for hunter orange violation. The tickets were $75 each and I think we both got 5 points. The crazy thing was that I was a NR. He wanted payment on the spot. He said he wasn't supposed to let me go until I paid. I told him I didn't have a check or cash on me. He said he was supposed to arrest me. When I told him to take me in, he said if I promised to send it in as soon as I got home he would let me go. Lesson learned......follow the rules to the T or expect to pay. Don't think you'll get a warning. I've never gotten hassled when I was following the rules. DOW has been really helpful sometimes.

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follow the rules

I never expect to ever be cut any slack when I'm out hunting, especially when it comes to antler restrictions.  I plan on making sure that any elk I shoot definitely has a brow tine of 5 inches.  the rule just seemed a little confusing because it said a browtine of at least 5 inches OR 4 points on one side.  I just started thinking to myself, why do they say 4 points on one side?  I mean, if it has 4 points on 1 side it will almost certainly have a brow tine of 5 inches so that alone should be enough to cover it.  Of course that's when I started double guessing myself and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

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I think that is a pretty darn

I think that is a pretty darn good mindset to have out there. If you keep to that mindset than you shouldn't have any problems staying out of trouble. And as elkkill06 said, if you have any doubt about the legality of the bull you have in your sights, I pull your finger out of the trigger guard and scratch it with something other than the trigger. Just not worth it.

 

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Thought I would chime in. 

Thought I would chime in.  Like it’s been said, the intent is to harvest 2.5 year old bulls which should have a point going straight up (usually the 4th point) and points below it.   The problem is the elk don’t always follow the DOW rules and the DOW officers don’t always follow the intent of the rule.  I think the “5 in rule” is a trap anyway.  I mean really, who can accurately measure 5 inches on a brow tine under hunting conditions if it’s even remotely close.   They ought to say “the intent is to harvest 2.5 year old bulls.  Those that have more than 2 measurable points on a side meet this intent”.  This keeps most spikes (1.5yr olds) safe and meets the 2.5 year intent, is easy to judge in the field, and is easily enforceable.   But, we are dealing with a Govt agency and it’s empowered employees so… citizen beware. 

Anyway, several years ago I shot a 4X4 that had brow tines less than 5 inches but were still measureable points.   I was muzzleloading and shot the bull at 25-30 yards as it was facing me.  I could see the “4th” point going up and points below so I knew that it was at least 2.5 years old.  Well, when I got to it, I was certainly surprised to see how short the brow tines actually were and was glad it had 4 measurable points on each side.  It had to have been one of the smallest 4pt bulls shot in CO that year.  Because of deployments, it had been several years since I shot an elk and I wanted the meat so before the season started I had decided that I would shoot the first bull I had a chance to shoot.  Usually, this one would have walked on.   If you look at the pictures very closely, you can see the brow tines.  And yes, they are true brow tines, not burrs. 

I guess what I am saying is if it’s close, be careful.  Better to not shoot than face an issue like elkkill06.  Everything on this bull was legal but not because I counted points and measured the brow tine before the shot.   I used a method of “counting” that works on the average or better bull, not the abnormal bull.  Lucky me in this case. 

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