This program needs to go bye-bye!!! I am fine with Landowners getting a few tags, but not to hunt Public Lands. Should be a Private land only tag!!!! As it stands, they can hunt any public land in the unit in which they have the Tags for!!!!
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Fri, 2012-03-02 08:19
Colorado Landowner Vouchers and Public Lands
Fri, 2012-03-02 18:58#1
I do not totally agree with the program either. Especially when certain landowners have figured out different ways to get even more tags. I also don't like how the price of tags (vouchers) keep going up.
My taxidermists brother is a tag broker and has no problem selling most of them even for the large amounts many of them go for.
Fri, 2012-03-02 22:12#2
I can understand the
I can understand the frustration of public hunters who must wait the better part of a generation to draw a tag in some of the trophy managed units. In fairness to the public land hunters, limiting the vouchers to the deeded private property for which they were issued seems reasonable.
The vast majority of these tags are undersubscribed, though. With the small overall numbers of these tags, I don't really see much of a negative impact on the hunting opportunities for public land hunters. It may not seem fair that someone can simply purchase a tag with a voucher rather than stand in line with everyone else to draw a tag. But in my opinion it doesn't seem that much different from people purchasing outfitted trophy hunts. If the vouchers were only valid for cows and does, nobody would care if public lands were included. Size matters only when the horns are the most important consideration for harvesting an animal.
I guess I would continue to throw a bone to landowners. Overall, most landowners aren't making big bucks from these vouchers. It would be interesting to know how many of the voucher tags end up harvesting animals on public lands--probably a small number relative to the number of tags issued for any given unit.
Fri, 2012-03-02 22:34#3
So, I will grant that it is
So, I will grant that it is an imperfect program. I am sure that numerous landowners that participate in the program do not "allow a reasonable number of hunters" to hunt their ground, as mandated as a condition of participation in the program. It is also frustrating that prices for landowner vouchers can be ridiculous. There might even be some landowners that sell their vouchers, and then expect the purchasor to hunt nearly entirely on public land.
However, I think it is a logical program that promotes cooperation between the DOW (still refuse to call them by their current name) and landowners for wildlife management. To even participate in the program, the Division has to agree with the landowner that the land in question provides usable habitat for a given species for a significant amount of time. That means that landowners have to allow grazing of their property by public property (the wildlife). If the landowner can get a couple vouchers as compensation for the wildlife habitat they provide, that seems like a reasonable trade to me. With a limit of 15% of tags allocated to the landowner voucher program, even if every landowner voucher hunted on public property in a given unit, I do not feel this would be unfair to the remaining public land hunters.
An example where I really don't think it would be fair or make sense to limit landowner vouchers to private land only would be for a landowner that provides severe winter habitat for elk. In this situation, if the landowner wants to archery hunt, I think it is reasonable that the landowner tag be valid for public land so that he/she can pursue elk within that unit earlier in the season.
Private land only tags are a useful tool when the Division is trying to address wildlife damage or cull a specific herd. Very few landowners would fit in those criteria to make all landowner vouchers private land only tags.
The landowner voucher program is imperfect because people are imperfect. Like any situation involving people, once the sample size is large enough (which usually doesn't take very long), you end up with some undesirable characters in the group. As it stands, it makes sense to me that landowner vouchers are valid on public land also.
Sat, 2012-03-03 14:42#4
Well said. That's what I
Well said. That's what I meant too. Some parts of the program kind of suck for the general public, but overall I think there's more good than bad. Improve the program, yes. Eliminate the program, no.
Sat, 2012-03-03 12:44#5
I've gotten vouchers from
I've gotten vouchers from land owners, but they have alwys been for cows and does. I thought that's the way it was? Am I wrong? I thought they were for animal damage control?
Sat, 2012-03-03 13:35#6
15% of limited licenses, not just cows and does, and not just private land only, are set aside for landowners in the drawing. The number of licenses they can receive is dependent on how much land they have.
Like WishIWasHunting mentioned, it's partly a way of placating landowners who have to tolerate the game damage and reduction of carrying capacity or reduced crop yields for a public resource that costs them money.
Sat, 2012-03-03 13:42#7
Special damage control tags issued on an emergency basis are purchased through the DOW typically. They usually have a K number, like A for antelope, the unit number, and instead of O for Open or P for Private, or S for Split, or L for late, it will be a K.
Private land tags are otherwise issued like any other during the drawing or as leftovers or as transferable from landowners, and the numbers are typically set to ease game damage issues. But the truest damage tags are the K series tags.
Sat, 2012-03-03 13:52#8
I have one in my pocket. What
I have one in my pocket. What was this good for?
D-F-057-D1-R 10/04/2001 - 02-28-2012
Sat, 2012-03-03 14:33#9
that one's new to me
Not sure I've ever seen a D code like that before. I'm guessing its the same idea as the K code. Dang sure not a typical landowner voucher like what we're talking about though as there's no hunt code like that in the brochure as something you could apply for. Also, with a February end date, it has to be special as the Commission doesn't allow deer or elk hunting beyond Jan 31 normally.
Sat, 2012-03-03 14:49#10
It was given to the land
It was given to the land owner after the normal season started. So, I guess they still give the full 5 months when that happens. It was an animal control voucher. I assumed I was restricted to the owners land. Was that right?