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Re: regs
NH Hunter wrote:
You'll need to check the regs because they change the rules often. I know last year if you drew, you lost all your points. I had six and drew a 2-point hunt. Points are back to zero. One year (I think) they let you keep what you didn't need. I wouldn't count on it happening again, but, you never know!

That pretty much knocks you down to OTC areas only for 15 years to draw the best areas. That stinks.

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Alamosa wrote:
The thing I remember most was that the deadfall was 6ft deep in some areas of black timber. It was one of the few places I'd been where a open sights seemed to be an advantage over a scope.

That downtimber is a real joy to drag elk through...... Brick Wall,)

Just think how bad it's going to be in a few years when all of the beetlekill starts falling....

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Re: regs
MrKrabs wrote:
NH Hunter wrote:
You'll need to check the regs because they change the rules often. I know last year if you drew, you lost all your points. I had six and drew a 2-point hunt. Points are back to zero. One year (I think) they let you keep what you didn't need. I wouldn't count on it happening again, but, you never know!

That pretty much knocks you down to OTC areas only for 15 years to draw the best areas. That stinks.

Yes NH, they have only allowed point banking one year so far but I wouldn't be surprised if they allow us to do it again in the next 5 years or so.
Mr Krabs, Unit 2 and 10 are a really tough draw and currently take 16 points to even have a shot at a unit 2 or 10 bull tag. With point creep it might be 30 plus points before a guy just starting out will draw those tags.
A lot of us that hunt Colorado every year will apply for a Preference Point (E-P-999-99-P) as our first choice and then we'll apply for a cow tag for our second choice. That way you can earn a PP and draw a tag. Many areas have a over-the-counter bull tag and in a lot of units you can get both a cow tag and a bull tag.

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Hiker wrote:
Yes NH, they have only allowed point banking one year so far but I wouldn't be surprised if they allow us to do it again in the next 5 years or so.
Mr Krabs, Unit 2 and 10 are a really tough draw and currently take 16 points to even have a shot at a unit 2 or 10 bull tag. With point creep it might be 30 plus points before a guy just starting out will draw those tags.
A lot of us that hunt Colorado every year will apply for a Preference Point (E-P-999-99-P) as our first choice and then we'll apply for a cow tag for our second choice. That way you can earn a PP and draw a tag. Many areas have a over-the-counter bull tag and in a lot of units you can get both a cow tag and a bull tag.

What if your second choice requires points? On the other hand what if the second choice doesn't require points (so 0 PP hunter could get the tag as well) would they still take your points since you have them and you're applying for a limited draw area?

I know why everyone complains about the point system needing an overhaul now.

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Re: regs
MrKrabs wrote:
Hiker wrote:
Yes NH, they have only allowed point banking one year so far but I wouldn't be surprised if they allow us to do it again in the next 5 years or so.
Mr Krabs, Unit 2 and 10 are a really tough draw and currently take 16 points to even have a shot at a unit 2 or 10 bull tag. With point creep it might be 30 plus points before a guy just starting out will draw those tags.
A lot of us that hunt Colorado every year will apply for a Preference Point (E-P-999-99-P) as our first choice and then we'll apply for a cow tag for our second choice. That way you can earn a PP and draw a tag. Many areas have a over-the-counter bull tag and in a lot of units you can get both a cow tag and a bull tag.

What if your second choice requires points? On the other hand what if the second choice doesn't require points (so 0 PP hunter could get the tag as well) would they still take your points since you have them and you're applying for a limited draw area?

I know why everyone complains about the point system needing an overhaul now.

2nd choices do not cost points, only first choices!

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If your second choice takes points, you won't draw. You must choose an area that is under subscribed in order to draw a second choice. In Colorado Preference Points only help you for 1st choice. If you draw a second choice tag, you will retain your points.

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Re: regs
MrKrabs wrote:
NH Hunter wrote:
You'll need to check the regs because they change the rules often. I know last year if you drew, you lost all your points. I had six and drew a 2-point hunt. Points are back to zero. One year (I think) they let you keep what you didn't need. I wouldn't count on it happening again, but, you never know!

That pretty much knocks you down to OTC areas only for 15 years to draw the best areas. That stinks.

MrKrabs,

Yep, I've thrown in the towel! I've given up! They beat me down and I just can't take it anymore!

I used to apply for a PP first choice, cow elk second choice and never failed to draw a cow tag. With the "point creep", I realized I would never draw a great unit like GMU2 or the Bosque. Especially after the state limited the amount of tags going to NR's in the prime units. Originally, I was saving points for a Ranching for Wildlife tag and they closed those to NR's. My goals have changed and I will use my points to draw MZ tags in the statewide units or possibly a low point archery hunt. In years where I can't draw MZ as first choice, I will try for a cow tag as second choice (to save $$$) and my last option will be OTC bull. Rather than saving points for the dream hunt and having them make some rule change that blanks me out of it when I'm close, I will enjoy the lower point hunts more often. I'm saving points for Utah, which is where I'll get to have my dream hunt someday. Mr. Cool!

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NH, you must understand Utah's odds a whole lot better than me. I looked at their premium hunts and out of state hunters can draw one or two tags in a unit. I sure don't see those odds as anything close to the 20% that CO allocates. I hear you on the changing the rules in the middle of the game for some out of state hunters, it sucks. But I still think that out of state hunters are treated more fairly in CO than many other states.

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Maybe I should do research on Arizona for my elk hunt of a lifetime. I was planning on beginning to build points for a Big Horn hunt, but that sounds like a futile effort.

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The draw odds are low in AZ for a bull elk rifle tag in a good unit but you can't draw of you don't apply. AZ, ID,NV, and UT requires us to purchase a hunting license before we can apply for a deer, elk, antelope, sheep and other big game tags. It's not inexpensive but it the only way to draw one of those tags. The other way that I'm aware of to get a good elk tag in NV or UT is to purchase a landowner tag. They can be pretty expensive but could also save you 10 + years before you draw a tag going the lottery route. I am not aware of any landowner tags in AZ or ID.
These drawing routes are here to stay and someday might be the only way we can get a tag to hunt big game. We might as well except it and educate ourselves in the lotteries/ drawing systems in the states or provinces that we are interested in hunting.

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