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he'll sit up and take notice, he won't be asleep at the switch. New Orleans drowning? quote]

Perhaps, but he apparently was asleep in the pews when his reverend was spewing hate and racism.

Only time will tell. First he has to get elected and then we'll see if he fulfills all his promises.

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I'm curious to know if you listened to what Colin Powell had to say.

Personal smears have no place in American politics. I think I'm not alone in being grossed out this election cycle. Why not discuss something substantive? I think that as Americans we are better than that.

It's time for competence in government not the perpetual campaign.

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I might believe some of the outrage over "personal smears" if Obama wasn't using the term to describe anything critical of him. In his world, he believes he should only be criticized on things he agrees to be criticized about. I've seen that kind of thing before in two-bit dictators throughout history.

I think it' s the height of hypocrisy for the left to act so offended about "personal smears", and yet see them go after Sarah Palin or Joe the Plumber with such venom. Joe is particularly significant, because he wasn't running for anything. He was just a private citizen who had the audacity to ask a critical question of the Messiah. In return, he was torn apart, voting and tax records analyzed, and personally destroyed on a national stage as they tried to discredit him in any way possible.

Is that an indication of how criticism of an Obama administration would be handled? Making a public statement of Obama is a lot like printing a cartoon of Mohammed, isn't it? Think about it -- is that how you want your government operating?

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Just a little constitutional Knowledge lesson for you, The federal government can't just waltz into any State in the Union and take over anything, That is unconstitutional. There is this little thing called States Rights, That's what the National Guard is all about, State Police, etc.
Obama would do the exact same thing George Bush did, wait for the Governor of Louisiana to call and ask for help.
Katrina devastation of New Orleans was terrible but you should assign blame where it is due, The Mayor Of New Orleans and The Governor of Louisiana. Had these two acted properly the FEMA fiasco would have never materialized as the population would have been evacuated. It's not Rocket Science, those storms are hundreds of miles large and their track is computed and relayed to the Public every 6 hours. New Orleans knew 3 days in advance that they would get at the least, Category 3 hurricane force storm.

To hell with three days in advance and who's to blame there!

Once it hit and for three days afterwards when there were televised reports of people suffering and dying at the Superdome, rapes of females, stabbings, looting, the old and infirm dying without proper medical care or medication, babies dying of dehydration, when the full scope of the devastation was apparent and obvious to anyone with a television set that a catastrophe was happening on a grand scale to an American city. It would have been nice to have a Commander in Chief that took charge and acted decisively and without hesitation to help our fellow Americans. Even if local officials were lax or at fault for the leader of our Nation to site idly and impotently by while this happened there is no excuse for.

Any strong and moral leader would have taken swift action to help the citizens of the country he or she led and wouldn't have let excuses of waiting for the Gov. to 'ASK' for help slow their response!

If he had shown one sixteenth of the concern he had shown for ramming his war down Congress's throat for the New Orleans crisis and debacle a lot of dying and suffering could have been averted.

Yes, I do believe Obama is the type of Man who would act decisively in this type of situation in the interest of fellow Americans and not use limp excuses to cover for malfeasance.

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Did not the govenor Kathleen Blanco and the mayor Mayor Nagen both reject fedral support for 2 weeks?
Louisiana’s disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 ,
‘The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating’…

Why were the STATE and CITY transportation still sitting unmoved before, during and after katrina? Is Bush to blame for that as well?
Whats my point , my point is that WE American people should be the first to respond for ourselves and NOT wait for the goverment to throw money at a situation that could and should be solved by people getting off thier rears and taking care of themselves.
New Orleans did not follow its own emergency preparedness plan in preparing for this storm. With plans in place to evacuate the city, entire steps were ignored completely.
Every state has detailed disaster plans , those on that have hurricanes have them, those in midwest have tornado and blizzard even drought plans. The LOCAL goverment made bad or no desicions on getting those with no means of escape out, NOT Bush, Fema or anyone else.
The coast gaurd (feds) were right on there within 3 days, which would have been exactly when they should have had the LOCAL gonerment followed thier 48 hour disaster plan as was the Army ( I have issue with combat units deployed in side the US border but thats another post) and Fema was right behind, not that I beleive Fema is unflawed but it shouldnt be used as a savior from disaters, again that lays in ones own hands.
New Orleans was flooded, i seen it myself but Mississippi was completely demolished and you dont hear them complaining about what they did or didnt get and when same goes for folks in Florida hurricanes.
I have a good friends that road horses to work for 5 months from thier coastal ranch to town because gas and diesel wasnt to be found, daliy finding body after body along the way. No Fema, No Coast Guard and yet no damn complaining. This old Katrina issue didnt fly them and still dont now.

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Disaster preparedness is primarily the responsibility of local and state governments. In New Orleans, it was a Democrat Mayor that didn't evacuate and a Democrat governor that sat on her hands. Part of the reason there has been so much venom toward Bush on the matter was that they had to divert attention from Democratic leadership that completely failed their constituency.

If Bush was so bad at handling disaster, then why is it that FEMA performed so well in so many other cases during his presidency (to include 9/11)? The difference is in local and state leaders that do their jobs, which didn't happen during Katrina. New Orleans was an anomaly, and it's irresponsible to blame Bush and exonerate the Democrat leaders at city and state level that created the conditions for disaster.

As for Obama, the remarkable thing is that you, like so many other Obamabots I've known, have so completely bought into the personality cult that you are incapable of independent thought. I don't think I can recall any instance on this forum where you've said anything remotely critical of Obama on any position. Ask supporters of any other politician out there, and they will admit some things they don't agree on.

But not Obamabots. They have given themselves over to their dear leader completely and consider him flawless. I've studied history enough to be concerned when I see a population so willing to follow a political leader so unquestioningly, without consideration of policies, and with complete willingness to actively suppress or ignore anything that might question him.

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As for Bush, the remarkable thing is that you, like so many other Bushies I've known, have so completely bought into the personality cult that you are incapable of independent thought. I don't think I can recall any instance on this forum where you've said anything remotely critical of Bush on any position. Ask supporters of any other politician out there, and they will admit some things they don't agree on.

But not Bushies. They have given themselves over to their dear leader completely and consider him flawless. I've studied history enough to be concerned when I see a population so willing to follow a political leader so unquestioningly, without consideration of policies, and with complete willingness to actively suppress or ignore anything that might question him up to and including lies that involve invading another country for false reasons.

Fixed that for ya buddy! Laugh

We will soon see if they are things to be critical of during his Presidency and if there are, I will be critical. I feel far more confident America's interests, all of them from the lowest to to highest, will be in better care under his leadership then Mccains or Lord forbid Palin's.

Don't worry expat you will soon have your opportunity to have your microscope over his every decision and action and if they are bad I might agree with you, but he's going to be given the chance for us to see.

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Hummm, Lets see,
Bill Ayers- Admitted Terrorist Bomber, Unrepentant, wished he could have did more.
Osama Bin Laden-Admitted Terrorist, Unrepentant, Will do it more.

Obama would do something about Bin Laden but give Ayers A handshake and an invite to the Obama crib? Mabe I need a glass of kool aid to see the logic there.

Only good from Mr. Powell endorsing Obama and mabe agreeing to be an Advisor to Obama is that mabe something would be done if/when another terrorist strike hits the US.

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To hell with three days in advance and who's to blame there! .

What are you talking about, look at the track of Katrina, there was almost no doubt where it was going.
I have lived on the gulf coast of Florida all of my life, I know about evacuation plans and when to evacuate, The Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor Of Louisiana should have also known.

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Once it hit and for three days afterwards when there were televised reports of people suffering and dying at the Superdome, rapes of females, stabbings, looting, the old and infirm dying without proper medical care or medication, babies dying of dehydration, when the full scope of the devastation was apparent and obvious to anyone with a television set that a catastrophe was happening on a grand scale to an American city. It would have been nice to have a Commander in Chief that took charge and acted decisively and without hesitation to help our fellow Americans. Even if local officials were lax or at fault for the leader of our Nation to site idly and impotently by while this happened there is no excuse for.

What was the Mayor, the Governor doing? Why was it Bushs' Fault?
Here in your statements lies the problem, these folks all knew 3 DAYS AHEAD that there was a Category 3 + Hurricane heading their way and they did NOTHING to leave or prepare. The Mayor knew for over 20 years that the Levees could fail in a Cat 2 storm with a direct hit. There were TV shots of City Buses sitting in flooded parking lots, School Buses sitting in flooded parking lots And that is Bushs. fault?

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Any strong and moral leader would have taken swift action to help the citizens of the country he or she led and wouldn't have let excuses of waiting for the Gov. to 'ASK' for help slow their response!

There have NEVER been a President that has ordered an evacuation of a coastal area being threatened by a Hurricane.
Constitution Will not allow Him too before State Government asked for it.
Proper steps would be the Mayor to ask Governor to look at area and declare a state of emergency, then the Governor would do so if it warrant's it and THEN they would call the White house and ASK for the President to declare a state of emergency and THEN Federal help would begin to be motivated. Only failure of FEMA was that it waited until called upon to start preparing.

Bottom line is those people were duped into believing the Government would take care of them, buy their food , pay their rent, you know "even the playing field", much like Obama is offering now. Their Democrat leaders failed them by waiting on someone to come and Bail them out.
No sir Mr. SoCoKHntr, Bush is not to blame but rather this "take no personal responsibility for yourself cause the Government will take care of us" attitude that the Liberal democratic party keeps pushing down the American public's throat, only this time people died because of it.

If Bush was really to blame the Obama camp would be all over it saying McCain would have done the same, but it aint happening....theres a reason and I think you know the answer to that.

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SoCo, your childish edit job completely misses the mark. Bush people don't behave the way Obamabots do, because Bush people still think.

I will admit points of the Bush platform I disagree with. For example, I disagree with his willingness to use big-government solutions a lot of the time. I have some issues with some of the restrictions put in place on those waging the war as well. But on the whole, I think the pros outweigh the cons because I have researched the issues and believe he had better solutions than the alternative.

Likewise, I fault McCain for reaching across the aisle too many times on some issues I value.

You, however, are apparently unable to think this way. You have given yourself over to Obama the way millions gave themselves to Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. They completely gave up any pretense of critical thought to follow the leader with absolute devotion no matter what he said. I don't think you're capable of uttering anything critical of him, because you've devoted yourself to the Little Red Book.

History is full of people like Obama -- leaders who stir up resentment and anger, give the people a boogeyman, and then convince mobs that he is the answer to every problem they can imagine -- if they will only give themselves to him. Along the way, they hold spectacular rallys that focus on huge crowds and manipulate the media in order to convince skeptical people that everyone else favors the despot. Thus, societal peer pressure keeps skeptics at bay. Their followers are willing to sacrifice their freedoms on the altar of personality for the promise of a better day delivered by a smooth talker who says he'll make it all better.

Obama's minions don't care about facts, positions, history, etc. All they care about is being caught up in the religious fervor surrounding him. They don't have to think; they just have to believe. That's what worries me -- people blindly following charisma and stifling dissent.

If you disagree, let's see you disprove my point -- I'd like to hear what points of Obama's platform you disagree with.

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