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I'm posting this here, although it respectfuly belongs in the Black Bear section.

Here's what's left of a bullet we removed today from a nuisance black bear, trapped by "thenail"(got to give him some credit) The landowners son shot it in the snare and I beleive the bullet is from a 303 British rifle, I find out all the particulars on the bullet in a few days>
The copper casing completly seperated from the lead core, not even a trace of lead, maybe we'll located it when butchering.

A perfect example of a poor quality product and they will hear about it and so will every reader here,Hammer promises!

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being a 303, I would wonder if he loaded the bullets themselves or got them from cheaper than dirt... Either way, I wouldnt put much faith in the 303 round...JMO

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Regardless of the calibre(not a 303 British fan neither) someone manufactured the bullet, and some company made the cartridge, if not reloaded. That is unacceptable to me, we all expect and deserve quality products and I owe it to myself and every member of this forum to find out who produced this junk.

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The first black bear I killed I shot with a 7mm Rem Mag and 140gr Sierra bullet. That's about all I got back too. I've got some varmit bullet fragment's that are even worse than that. But then they are designed to do that.

Do you know what weight bullet it was? I alway's heard that the 303 British was a popular cartridge up there. My Hornady manual list's 123, 150 and 174 gr bullet's for the 303. The 123 @ 3000fps might be soft enough to do that.

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No idea yet, Don, but I'll find out in the next day or two. The base measures at .311 inch, which is 303 British I think,but there could be some "blow out". I had a 303 British for about fifteen of my younger years. I remember the local hardware store selling them for $9.99, barrel full of packing grease and wrapped in waxed paper.
Sure is proof though, that all bullets are not equal
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YIKES......Kinna looks like a Mil round there Hammer.... .311 IS 303 brit dimentions...could you tell if it was a flat or a Boat Tail? I know my serras Hold up really nice on deer and Elk in the 150 and 174's course Ive only found one of each inna animal...the rest passed through ( Imma fan of lung shots it helps to blood out the meat) PLUS I do enjoy the Jerky I make from them nice shoulders Yes The only mil surp rounds I rarely even use to plink with mine just dont trust the darn things...Not even for the cases...Id NEVER trust them on a hunt....Get to hopping on that report...IM INTRIGUED neener!

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That's definatelly not military. The base is exposed on Military stuff. Rules of war! I think it may well be that that happen's more than we think. Few high velocity bullet's stay inside deer so there's no way to really tell. Then again maybe it's just one bad bullet. If this was a 123gr bullet, it's a good example of the stress put on a cup and core bullet at high velocity and close range.

I like cup and core bullet's but have seen almost this shooting bullet's into newspapers. Happened with my favorite, Hornady (pre interlock). When I dug out the bullet, it had retained 86% of it's weight but the core was loose in the jacket. Speer hot core's didn't do that. Still I've never had a Hornady fail me and they are still my favorite bullet.

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I just spoke with the landowner and he said his son used the 303 British, and he had the bullet strip that the bullet came from:
WINCHESTER WW Super
He didn't have the box but said they were either 150 or 180 grainers. He is giving me a couple of live rounds for "my quality control purposes"

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Coming from Winchester it is probably this cartridge:

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/cfrdetail.aspx?symbol=X303B1&...

I have some here that I make try to extract out and cut one of them in half to see the profile.

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ChesterGolf:
And their website advocates "rapid expansion" I can't argue with that. I got 32.1 grains of shiny copper on my desk that never made it past the fur.

Anyone got an email address for Winchester( preferably the Organ Grinder,not one of the monkeys). I couldn't find a contact link on the website. Thanks

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Well, I found out that the Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Olin/Winchester is a John FISCHER. Now I have to start climbing a family tree and see if I can find a DONALD on it

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